Confused In Connecticut ...

BillyMac

Nevadaref wrote
There is no reason to stop the game, so just continue playing.

So the "rule of thumb" that a team cannot play with less than five players when five are available is ignored? So, there are only two alternatives here? The fifth player enters the court and does not gain an advantage by doing so, which is ignored by the official? Or, the fifth player enters the court by deceitful means, and gains an immediate advantage, at which point the official charges a technical foul? Again, these are not substitutions after a timeout, so under what rule would a technical foul be charged? I don't have any answers here, I'm just looking for some help in trying to "wrap my arms" around this situation. Can we please continue this discussion?

bainsey

BillyMac wrote
So the "rule of thumb" that a team cannot play with less than five players when five are available is ignored?

There's nothing to ignore. Five were available; one just thought he was on the bench. He still has player status, so he gets off the bench and on the court where he belongs. I don't see any harm here.

bob jenkins

BillyMac wrote
So the "rule of thumb" that a team cannot play with less than five players when five are available is ignored?

Just because there's a "rule of thumb" doesn't mean that there's a penalty (in all cases) if the rule isn't followed.

And, just because there's a "rule of thumb" for one situation, doesn't mean that the rule applies in all situations.

BillyMac

The fifth player enters the court and gains an immediate advantage. Again, not after a timeout. Does the official charge a technical foul? If so, under what rule would a technical foul be charged? Certainly not for all five players not returning to the court at the same time after a timeout, because there was no timeout. I'm not taking any "stand" on this situation, just asking questions, hoping to get some rule, or casebook, citations.

Sharpshooternes

BillyMac wrote
The fifth player enters the court and gains an immediate advantage. Again, not after a timeout. Does the official charge a technical foul? If so, under what rule would a technical foul be charged? Certainly not for all five players not returning to the court at the same time after a timeout, because there was no timeout. I'm not taking any "stand" on this situation, just asking questions, hoping to get some rule, or casebook, citations.

What if the fifth player enters the court, not deceitfully but just as his team gains control from a steal or rebound, realizes he is supposed to be in, and then gets a quick breakaway bucket? What would be the ruling here?

Adam

sharpshooternes wrote
what if the fifth player enters the court, not deceitfully but just as his team gains control from a steal or rebound, realizes he is supposed to be in, and then gets a quick breakaway bucket? What would be the ruling here?

Sharpshooternes

Adam wrote
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Okay. and this must be the shortest post on the forum.😉

BillyMac

Adam wrote
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Not a criticism, just a question. The technical foul is charged for what rule infraction?

just another ref

billymac wrote
not a criticism, just a question. The technical foul is charged for what rule infraction?

10-3-2 or 10-3-6

Adam

BillyMac wrote
Not a criticism, just a question. The technical foul is charged for what rule infraction?

The case play that has been cited ad nauseum. In particular, the final piece of it, "...nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court."

BillyMac

Adam wrote
... "nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court."

Good point. If there is an unfair advantage, under which rule does one charge the technical foul, 10-3-2, or 10-3-6 (as posted by just another ref)? I don't have my books here at work.

just another ref

BillyMac wrote
Good point. If there is an unfair advantage, under which rule does one charge the technical foul, 10-3-2, or 10-3-6 (as posted by just another ref)? I don't have my books here at work.

10-3-6 is general and can be used for just about anything. (unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play)

10-3-2 is specific to this situation.

Either one would fit.

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
10-3-6 is general and can be used for just about anything. (unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play)

Sounds good. Thanks guys. Can we close the thread?

Sharpshooternes

just another ref wrote
10-3-6 is general and can be used for just about anything. (unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play)

10-3-2 is specific to this situation.

Either one would fit.

I don't think 10-3-2 is specific as this rule says "Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds." There was no deceit or willful remaining out of bounds. He just thought he was supposed to be on the bench. Although 10.3.2 ironically enough gives our scenario and a T is charged for gaining an advantage. And yes we can close this thread.