Bryce Harper ejection

MD Longhorn

dileonardoja wrote
IMO that ejection was Horse Crap. CB was too quick with the hook. If he delayed for a second or two he would have realized that BH was mad at himself and not the call. The league will take care of it with a fine. This isn't HS where you CANeject for removing the helmet in LBT but usually after a warning. This is a case of OOO and putting the screws to a Rookie who may already have a less than stellar rep althought that was his first EJ

BTW I am not a fan of the Nats or BH.

Throwing equipment while on the field is an ejection at any level. Like it was said earlier, mature players can make it to the dugout before blowing up. The umpire should not have to ask himself what a player's motivation is for throwing stuff. Toss and move on.

mbyron

mbcrowder wrote
Throwing equipment while on the field is an ejection at any level. Like it was said earlier, mature players can make it to the dugout before blowing up. The umpire should not have to ask himself what a player's motivation is for throwing stuff. Toss and move on.

Absolutely. It's on Harper 100% to be angry with himself somewhere else. Righteous EJ at every level, and any umpire who puts up with such displays fails to understand game management and can look forward to some long and unpleasant games.

APG

EsqUmp wrote
I wonder how my employer would handle it if I threw staplers, lamps and keyboards from my desk when I got pissed off, regardless of the reason.

If your skill set was as rare and in demand, and millions of dollars were sunk into/will be sunk into you for the foreseeable future, then I'd imagine an employer would give one a pass.

As to the play in question, it's not the most egregious offense (as I do believe he threw the helmet in frustration due to hitting into the DP), but I don't really have a problem with an ejection. If one doesn't want to be ejected, don't do an act where you have to put an official in a position to make a judgement.

legend

Proper onfield decorum shouldn't just be expected from seasoned vets. It seems like this kid has been given a pass at every level from the time he started playing, With the old excuse that he plays 100% on every play, plays with passion, etc. None of these are reasons that should allow for basically a temper tantrum because he didn't have a call go his way. He is gaining a rep. for being a hot head and its not going to be easy for him to change that first impressions.

rbmartin

I was pleasantly surprised with Davey Johnson's comments after the game. Pretty much what was said here. He needs to control himself better. Didn't fault the umpire at all in postgame.

ozzy6900

EsqUmp wrote
..... I wonder how my employer would handle it if I threw staplers, lamps and keyboards from my desk when I got pissed off, regardless of the reason.

Exactly! We can't throw things around on our job when things don't go our way, why should baseball players be allowed to? I'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, I'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!

Publius

Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

UES

Ozzy: "I'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, I'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!"

That is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are PAID to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, CB is a MLB umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... which is not expected from a MLB umpire.

mbyron

Publius wrote
Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

How funny: my first thought was kinda the opposite. Bucknor's EJ of Harper for this makes my job easier.

zm1283

Publius wrote
Yikes.

If I used the CB standard, I'd have about two dozen more ejections per year.

That was weak at any level where the players have two digits in their age. If a player doesn't look at me, doesn't gesture, doesn't say anything, and the equipment is thrown down (i.e., not across the diamond), that's frustration with himself and does not need to be punished.

I might be alone here, but I would certainly eject in a HS game for this without batting an eye, and would probably eject in a college game as well.

I don't have a problem with Bucknor ejecting Harper here. If he doesn't want to leave, he shouldn't throw his helmet and make the umpire decide what his motives were. With that said, I don't think Harper did it maliciously and I don't think he's a punk. I think he is young and has some growing up to do and plays extremely hard.

MD Longhorn

UES wrote
Ozzy: "I'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, I'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!"

That is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are PAID to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, CB is a MLB umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... which is not expected from a MLB umpire.

A) You have no idea who you're talking to, do you. B) This ties for the most idiotic post ever on the internet. It doesn't matter the reason, you don't chunk your equipment in anger on the field. Veterans know this... maybe Harper knows it too now. Maybe one day, you will too.

LMan

UES wrote
That is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are PAID to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, CB is a MLB umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... which is not expected from a MLB umpire.

I laughed.

Welpe

Spiking gear is pretty much an automatic EJ in the the majors regardless of motive.

UES

Welpe: "Spiking gear is pretty much an automatic EJ in the the majors regardless of motive"

Your statement should read "Spiking gear AT AN UMPIRE OR UMPIRE'S CALL is an automatic EJ at any level"

Harper slamming his helmet was NOT directed at the CB Bucknor... and if he would have waited and read the situation a little more before giving him the thumb, he would have realized that.

Rich Ives

Welpe wrote
Spiking gear is pretty much an automatic EJ in the the majors regardless of motive.

I don't think so. You'll see spiked bats and helmets quite often after a swinging third strike and nary an ejection.

Now a spike after a called thrid strike - different story.

Publius

zm1283 wrote
I might be alone here, but I would certainly eject in a HS game for this without batting an eye, and would probably eject in a college game as well.

I don't have a problem with Bucknor ejecting Harper here. If he doesn't want to leave, he shouldn't throw his helmet and make the umpire decide what his motives were. With that said, I don't think Harper did it maliciously and I don't think he's a punk. I think he is young and has some growing up to do and plays extremely hard.

You're definitely not alone. I have tons of partners who eject for things at the HS and college levels that I'd never eject for. Mostly they're injecting their own opinion concerning what's acceptable behavior instead of whether the ejection assists with game management.

Your point about Harper making the umpire having to decide motive is valid, but doesn't alter the fact that CB decided wrong.

DG

mbyron wrote
How funny: my first thought was kinda the opposite. Bucknor's EJ of Harper for this makes my job easier.

Agree, he would only need to dump 2 or 3 before word gets around and everyone's job is easier.

jicecone

ues wrote
ozzy: "i'm not going to stand there and try and analyze why the player threw the helmet, i'm going to dump him and his manager if he doesn't like it!"

that is the difference between an amatuer umpire and a professional one. The amatuer automatically ejects...pretty easy to do and doesn't require much thought. Professional umpires are paid to think about the situation, analyze and then determine the appropriate action. You think like an amateur umpire and that may be ok at the level(s) of games that you work. However, cb is a mlb umpire who is paid a lot of money to think before he reacts. In my opinion, he handled that situation in amateur like manner... Which is not expected from a mlb umpire.

you wouldn't make it through the minors with that attitude.

JR12

I live in MD and follow the Orioles and Nats. Harper should have been tossed a few times this season and was'nt.

JRutledge

Anytime Harper gets ejected it is a good thing. I have no sympathy. Act like an adult if you want to play with the big boys.

Peace