Base on Ball

peewee

Little League Minors division. Runner on 2nd.

If the batter takes ball four, can the runner on 2nd steal 3rd? Does it matter if the catcher catches ball four or if it is a pass ball?

Thanks

ozzy6900

peewee wrote
Little League Minors division. Runner on 2nd.

If the batter takes ball four, can the runner on 2nd steal 3rd? Does it matter if the catcher catches ball four or if it is a pass ball?

Thanks

Answer your own question...

is the ball dead on ball 4?
If the ball is live, can't runners steal?

Sometimes, it's just that easy!!!

RPatrino

Paraphrasing Ozzie:

1) no
2) yes

smithma

RPatrino wrote
Paraphrasing Ozzie:

1) no
2) yes

Bob;

I hope your answers are to Ozzie's questions and not the OP questions. 😀

RPatrino

Well of course....NO soup for YOU....LOL

peewee

Can some one tell me which rule applies to a caught ball 4 being a dead ball and a pass ball 4 being a live ball? I called the runner back to 2nd base because it was a caught ball 4. I would like to know where the rule is in case I am challenged in the future. I have been looking for two days but can't find anything in the 2012 Little League rule book.

Thank you.

RPatrino

As far as I can remember, there is NO rule making the ball dead on a base on balls. Your search is futile. Unless in your league, there is a local 'house' rule that does not allow stealing on a base on balls.

peewee

That would make sense then. Send the runner as the Batter-runner (right handed) crosses home plate to run to first. This would temporarily obstruct the view or distract the catcher from throwing him out at 3rd.

RPatrino

Pee Wee, if the batter/runner interferes with the catchers throw to 3rd, then that is illegal.

Is this the case in this situation?

DG

RPatrino wrote
Pee Wee, if the batter/runner interferes with the catchers throw to 3rd, then that is illegal.

It would be a tough call to make since BR is headed toward 1b, and F2 should be throwing behind where he was.

Rich Ives

PeeWee's really new at this. Don't confuse him. Stick to the basic question.

BestUmp

peewee wrote
That would make sense then. Send the runner as the Batter-runner (right handed) crosses home plate to run to first. This would temporarily obstruct the view or distract the catcher from throwing him out at 3rd.

I would have thought that regardless of what the Batter did to the Catcher, F2 should be able to make the play @ 3rd on the B-R. 😮

He could drag himself on the ground if need be.

Do they still pay LL umpires under the table? 😛

MD Longhorn

peewee wrote
Can some one tell me which rule applies to a caught ball 4 being a dead ball and a pass ball 4 being a live ball? I called the runner back to 2nd base because it was a caught ball 4. I would like to know where the rule is in case I am challenged in the future. I have been looking for two days but can't find anything in the 2012 Little League rule book.

Thank you.

The reason you can't find the rule after 2 days of searching is that it is not a rule. You've invented it. CERTAINLY they can steal on ball 4 (caught or dropped is completely immaterial to every possible situation, at every age group, in every rule set). You should have been challenged at the time, and if you make this mistake again, I do hope you're challenged on it in the future.

BestUmp

mbcrowder wrote
No. Just say ball (or ball four if you feel the need). Don't signal.

"That {sir or madam as appropriate} is a ball and it is the fourth one during this time or bat" may be conclusive but I strongly suggest this wordy phrasing to be inappropriate. 😉

SanDiegoSteve

mbcrowder wrote
No. Just say ball (or ball four if you feel the need). Don't signal.

I think he means the coach sends the runner at the same time the BR is crossing the plate, blocking the catcher's vision. He's not talking about him sending anybody.

MD Longhorn

Ah, I see now - my bad. I've deleted.