You Make The Call

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
If they'd call this, they'd stop doing it. Not that a no-call is horrible here, as it's pretty danged close. Still....

Maybe in our games that would fly over, but what if you are at that level with super slow motion replay and it shows he clearly did not touch the ball? Then the officials would be ripped apart for some time and it would be seen as worse if this helped "decide the game." I think that goes into their thinking that most of us do not have the the privilege to even think about.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
Maybe in our games that would fly over, but what if you are at that level with super slow motion replay and it shows he clearly did not touch the ball? Then the officials would be ripped apart for some time and it would be seen as worse if this helped "decide the game." I think that goes into their thinking that most of us do not have the the privilege to even think about.

Peace

My understanding is those guys get stung equally for incorrect calls and incorrect no-calls.

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
My understanding is those guys get stung equally for incorrect calls and incorrect no-calls.

You are right, they do get pointed out for correct and incorrect calls. But something tells me this would not be one of those calls that would be considered that overwhelmingly wrong.

Peace

rockyroad

I honestly think that if I saw this play while officiating the game, I would think it was a variation on an "alley oop" pass and think "Wow. Nice dunk." I don't think Offensive BI would even enter my mind. Of course, I would only count it as a 2, not a 3...but that's why I'm not working those games!

Nevadaref

He touches the ball on the downward flight and helps guide it into the basket. That's illegal at the NFHS and NCAA levels. Bentaylor will probably be along to tell us that the NBA has an exception for the momentum of a jumping player though.

Nevadaref

This is a missed call, but the speed at which it happens makes it understandable. The officials need to be certain in order to put a whistle on this, especially late in a close game.

JetMetFan

Rule 11
Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.

The exception is what permits players to dunk.

APG

NBA rules are pretty much the same for goaltending/basket interference except for a few circumstances (e.g. There can be BI on a throw-in that's touched above cylinder under NFHS rules...not so under NBA rules).

Also JMF, for completeness sake, (a) should read:

a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base or hang on the rim while the ball is passing through.

CaRef5

from the trajectory of the ball, it looks as if Barnes does not touch the ball, just the rim. Which by rule in the NBA is NOT BI in this situation.

CC imo. but hey what do I know!

Adam

CaRef5 wrote
from the trajectory of the ball, it looks as if Barnes does not touch the ball, just the rim. Which by rule in the NBA is NOT BI in this situation.

CC imo. but hey what do I know!

Hanging on the rim while the ball passes through isn't BI in the NBA?

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
Hanging on the rim while the ball passes through isn't BI in the NBA?

I had to go back and look, but Barnes was not hanging on the rim. Touching the rim yes, but touching the rim is not necessarily BI at other levels either.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
I had to go back and look, but Barnes was not hanging on the rim. Touching the rim yes, but touching the rim is not necessarily BI at other levels either.

Peace

Went back and watched it again, you're right. I was thinking he pulled the rim down, but he just touches it.

Camron Rust

JRutledge wrote
I had to go back and look, but Barnes was not hanging on the rim. Touching the rim yes, but touching the rim is not necessarily BI at other levels either.

Peace

As far as BI goes, touching is equivalent to hanging/grabbing at both NCAA and NFHS.

If he was in contact with the rim when the ball was on or in the basket, it is BI regardless of how or why he touched the rim (dunk exception noted).