Any call?

BktBallRef

bigda65 wrote
ok you got me

I guess I should have just asked you a question.

Would you ever judge his intention to be, to keep from turning the ball over, and not judge a violation? Again, I dont believe his intention was to start a dribble, It was like he knew that that was his only option (to drop the ball) to keep from turning the ball over.

Doubtful.

Camron Rust

By rule, it is a dribble the moment it leaves his hands....but we sometimes can't tell unless/until they touch the ball again.

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
By rule, it is a dribble the moment it leaves his hands, but we sometimes can't tell unless/until they touch the ball again.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."

I know it when I see it, and I'm not calling an illegal dribble violation until he touches the ball after it hits the floor.

mbyron

Camron Rust wrote
By rule, it is a dribble the moment it leaves his hands....but we sometimes can't tell unless/until they touch the ball again.

Tony can always tell. 😉

Adam

bigda65 wrote
My judgement (for what it is worth). I did not think it was the start of a dribble, he dropped the ball to keep it from being a violation. It definately wasnt a shot, definately not a pass (only defenders around him).

Your options:
Dribble, pass, shot, or fumble. It can't be anything else by rule.

just another ref

I would actually be a lot more inclined to wait in this case. Was the original intent of the player to dribble? No. He went up to shoot and was prevented from doing so. His only option was a quick release and hope that a nearby teammate might bail him out. In the other example recently given, a player who has used his dribble obviously forgets, starts a move to the basket by pushing the ball straight to the floor, and the ball is then contacted by a defender. Is this a violation? It definitely is to me.

BktBallRef

mbyron wrote
Tony can always tell. 😉

I can always tell what I'm going to call.

I sure hope you can.

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