stiffler3492 Team A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got?
BillyMac stiffler3492 wroteTeam A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got? Nothing. Supposedly, the new rule change won't effect plays like this, but I understand that the wording in the rules doesn't support this "Supposedly".
JRutledge This is one of these cases where the "Intent and Purpose" of the rule applies. The wording does not appear to be very clear, but it is clear that the rule was changed to not shoot FTs on fouls when the ball is being thrown in. As Billy said I do not think this changed, but it is hard to tell sometimes with some of the wording. Peace
Raymond stiffler3492 wroteTeam A has the ball in the frontcourt for a throw in. A1 throws it to A2, but A2 can't handle the pass, and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. Keeping the rule change in mind, what do ya got? NCAA already had the TC throw-in rule in place and it was not a violation due to throw-in exceptions.
Nevadaref The wording of the new rule requires both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt. Since there was no player control established in the frontcourt, there cannot be a backcourt violation.
Raymond Nevadaref wroteThe wording of the new rule requires both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt. Since there was no player control established in the frontcourt, there cannot be a backcourt violation. Which "new rule" are we talking about? I know the OP is not a BC violaton but I'm wondering as to what new rule you are referring.
bob jenkins BadNewsRef wroteWhich "new rule" are we talking about? I know the OP is not a BC violaton but I'm wondering as to what new rule you are referring. The new "TC on a throw-in" rule -- it's led to some changes in wording in other areas (including cases)
Raymond bob jenkins wroteThe new "TC on a throw-in" rule -- it's led to some changes in wording in other areas (including cases) That's what I searching for, where does it say that there has to be "both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt" in order for a backcourt violation to occur?
stiffler3492 http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/76630-new-nfhs-backcourt-violation-rule.html Here's the thread on this from a couple months ago.
Raymond Nevada's post is misleading as the new TC rule and its associated case plays make no reference to " both team AND PLAYER control in the frontcourt". The newly worded rule he is referencing is 9-9-1. I'm quite sure the "rule change" the OP wanted us to "keep in mind" was 4-12-2d.
stiffler3492 Well, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations. The general consensus seems to be that what I had was no violation, because there was never player control in the frontcourt.
Raymond stiffler3492 wroteWell, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations. The general consensus seems to be that what I had was no violation, because there was never player control in the frontcourt. No doubt about that. Just that Nevada is a lawyer and likes to play word games.
stiffler3492 BadNewsRef wroteNo doubt about that. Just that Nevada is a lawyer and likes to play word games. I'm no english major either...I prefer words less than four syllables.
Adam stiffler3492 wroteWell, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations. The general consensus seems to be that what I had was no violation, because there was never player control in the frontcourt. PC in the FC is not required for a violation. The committee made it clear that the change is only intended to affect whether FTs are shot on fouls.
just another ref stiffler3492 wroteWell, what I was going for was how the new team control on throw in rule affected backcourt violations. The new team control rule itself does not specifically affect the backcourt violation, because the throw-in does not originate in frontcourt or backcourt. It originates out of bounds.
just another ref Snaqwells wrotePC in the FC is not required for a violation. 9-9-1: A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in player and team control in the frontcourt.....
Adam just another ref wrote9-9-1: A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in player and team control in the frontcourt..... That's a sloppy way of trying to make the BC rule stay the same in light of the TC rule change. As Nevada pointed out, this change in wording affects plays that were violations under the old wording, and the committee made it clear their intent was not to change the BC rule.