Why No Signal?

Camron Rust

AllPurposeGamer wrote
I doubt the coach cares what type of violation it would have been...all he's thinking is he might be "screwed" out of a potential turnover or assessed a "phantom foul"...so in that case I don't think you've really made anything any harder/easier either way. And to be realistic, this situation is almost always a travel vs. foul or maybe held ball v. foul.

I think he's more likely to be upset once he sees a signal that clearly favors his team (a block if his team was on offense or a travel if his team is on defense) and thinks you already gave him the ball only to have it reversed.

Raymond

bainsey wrote
We were taught, when you blow that whistle, you better have a hand up, a fist up, or two thumbs up.

Never really gave it much thought, but why have a "stop the clock" signal on violations? Is there any time the whistle itself doesn't stop the clock?

Coaches do look for that preliminary signal, especially on a double whistle.

Adam

SWMOzebra wrote
This is exactly why I hate going straight to the jump ball signal instead of putting my hand in the air first.

I've gone to this as well, for the same reason

BillyMac

SWMOzebra wrote
This is exactly why I hate going straight to the jump ball signal instead of putting my hand in the air first.

In what mechanics rule set (NFHS, IAABO, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, FIBA, NBA) are you supposed to put your hand up before giving the a held ball signal?

bob jenkins

BillyMac wrote
In what mechanics rule set (NFHS, IAABO, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, FIBA, NBA) are you supposed to put your hand up before giving the a held ball signal?

You're not, at least FED and NCAA. That's his point -- it can cause a "double call" if one is signalling an held ball and the other a foul / violation. I dont' know that it's any different from one signalling a foul and the other a violation, though..

SWMOzebra

bob jenkins wrote
At least FED and NCAA. That's his point -- it can cause a "double call" if one is signalling an held ball and the other a foul / violation. I dont' know that it's any different from one signalling a foul and the other a violation, though..

From my perspective, it's a bit easier to deal with some coaches if one ref has an open palm and one has a closed fist as opposed to a closed fist and a jump ball signal. Merely a matter of preference.

BLydic

BillyMac wrote
In what mechanics rule set (NFHS, IAABO, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, FIBA, NBA) are you supposed to put your hand up before giving the a held ball signal?

bob jenkins wrote
At least FED and NCAA. That's his point -- it can cause a "double call" if one is signalling an held ball and the other a foul / violation. I dont' know that it's any different from one signalling a foul and the other a violation, though..

With all due respect, the FED signal to stop the clock for a jump/held ball is two thumbs up, nothing more.

bob jenkins

BLydic wrote
With all due respect, the FED signal to stop the clock for a jump/held ball is two thumbs up, nothing more.

Yes -- that's what I meant. I'll edit.

BillyMac

BLydic wrote
With all due respect, the FED signal to stop the clock for a jump/held ball is two thumbs up, nothing more.

IAABO also.

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