T-Worthy?

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
You work games for the same price you have for almost 20 years and you are questioning what I do in my little neck of the woods?

Irony!!!!

Peace

Certainly a relevant point. Nice job, Rut.:rolleyes:

Adam

Maineac wrote
Based on the OP info above, I'm going with the less popular answer of a quick talking to. No mention in the OP of anyone in the bleachers hearing it, etc. The same response I would give a team B player in a similar situation, btw.

Go for it, but I can tell you if the coach for B ran that complaint up the chain, I'd be working small school JV games (I won't tell you what gender) for a year. Loud enough for any opponent to hear is too loud, IMO.

And the "I'd do the same for you" response wouldn't fly here, either, as that coach would rightly expect a T to be called on one of his players for doing that.

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
For crying out loud, Rut. The OP was pretty straight forward. I'm normally with you on the "no-automatic" T's issue, but the OP was specific enough and straight forward enough. You're just reading too much into it in order to take an opposite opinion. It's your right, but good grief.

Well I did not say it was not straight forward. But it did say only the bench heard it. I need a little more than that when giving a T if I hear language than the standard as to what the opposition bench heard. And if the coach protests, then I will tell them "Do you want me to call a T for every time their kid uses any form of foul language." I was just around someone recently where their teenager used some words on a regular basis that I would feel uncomfortable using as an adult now around certain people and family member.

No one has answered yet what is the "F" word so over the top but other words seem to get a pass? If the goal is not to allow kids to use any "foul language" then all words should be "automatic T."

I did not ask you to like the standard I hold for crying out loud. 😉

Peace

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
Certainly a relevant point. Nice job, Rut.:rolleyes:

If you are going to tell me what moral code I must hold, then be prepared for that same argument to be made. This is more of a moral issue than a rules issue. "Profanity" standards do not apply the same across the country or even Religious communities.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
Well I did not say it was not straight forward.

Yeah, actually you did, when you said you needed more context. Perhaps you misspoke.

I doubt it, though..... 🙁

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
Yeah, actually you did, when you said you needed more context. Perhaps you misspoke.

I doubt it, though..... 🙁

I did need more context to give a T, but that does not mean it was not straight forward. It said only the bench heard. That is not enough for me alone. And I also did not say I would not give a T at all, the context was other things will factor in matters to me.

I really do not know why you are trying to convince me what I should do? If you want to call a T, go right ahead and knock yourself out. I want to have more situational awareness before this is a call for me.

Peace

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
If you are going to tell me what moral code I must hold, then be prepared for that same argument to be made. This is more of a moral issue than a rules issue. "Profanity" standards do not apply the same across the country or even Religious communities.

Peace

This is not about a moral code. It is about acceptable public behavior. Do the kids in school use the f word in their conversations in the classroom in your area? I doubt it. And if you do consider it a moral issue, this triggers you to bring up financial issues. Makes sense.

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
This is not about a moral code. It is about acceptable public behavior.

Acceptable public behavior changes based on the community you are in and a moral standard. It might not be a Religious one, but a moral standard.

just another ref wrote
Do the kids in school use the f word in their conversations in the classroom in your area? I doubt it.

You need to get out more often. You think every kid is put into detention when they use "foul" language in all school districts or levels?

just another ref wrote
And if you do consider it a moral issue, this triggers you to bring up financial issues. Makes sense.

You said:

just another ref wrote
We can't change the world, but we can control our little part of it.

And if you are worried about what standards I use, why did you use not my personal standards as to what games you worked in your area? I did not invoke in this thread what standards you should use. Actually I can live with whatever you do here. I simply am saying that I want more than "heard by the bench." And I do not believe in "automatic Ts." I think everything we can use our judgment is subjected to circumstances.

Peace

Jurassic Referee

JRutledge wrote
You do realize that the people you might be referencing "in my area" may not work for the same people I do?

You do realize that they also may work for the same people you do? You do realize also that they may be the people you work for?

And you know I won't name names on this web site ever.

Jurassic Referee

Maineac wrote
Based on the OP info above, I'm going with the less popular answer of a quick talking to. No mention in the OP of anyone in the bleachers hearing it, etc. The same response I would give a team B player in a similar situation, btw.

And if it's loud enough to be heard in the stands? Automatic "T" or judgment?

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
You need to get out more often. You think every kid is put into detention when they use "foul" language in all school districts or levels?

Kid at your neighborhood high school drops his book on the floor. Says "Oh, f***!" loud enough for the teacher to hear, and nothing happens?

And you think this is a good idea?

I have no further questions.

JRutledge

Jurassic Referee wrote
You do realize that they also may work for the same people you do? You do realize also that they may be the people you work for?

Do you think I would likely know who those you are talking about? There are only so many people here from my area that you could be talking about.

Jurassic Referee wrote
And you know I won't name names on this web site ever.

I give you more credit than that or really did not expect you to give a name. But I think I am aware of who works for whom and why they work for them as it relates to this area. It is not like it is a secret. And if some of those worked where I did and had no place stay that is not a hotel, they would be crazy. 😉

Peace

Terrapins Fan

JRutledge wrote
Was he saying because he missed the shot or because he thought he got fouled?

I still say I would have to be there. I could see passing on this or calling a T depending on the context or other actions.

Also who cares what the coach wants. The coach would go crazy if you called a T on his player for something you could not explain, so I tend to not care what they have to say about any T.

Peace

Doesn't matter to me F Bomb is automatic for me.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have only read the first page of post and feel that I cannot wait to jump into the fray.

There is no context to examine in the OP. This is a no brainer and is definitely what the recent NFHS POE's have addressed.

Ladies and germs (I mean gentlemen) I have been on construction sites all of my adult life and even before that. I have heard every profane word that one can think of and:

a) If you have no hair, I can make you grow it;
b) If you have hair, I can make it fall out;
c) If your hair is straight, I can curl it; and
d) If you hair is curly, I can straighten it.

I think you get my drift. And the OP is a TF every time. There is no excuse not to charge A1 with a TF.

MTD, Sr.

Adam

JRutledge wrote
I did need more context to give a T, but that does not mean it was not straight forward. It said only the bench heard. That is not enough for me alone. And I also did not say I would not give a T at all, the context was other things will factor in matters to me.

I really do not know why you are trying to convince me what I should do? If you want to call a T, go right ahead and knock yourself out. I want to have more situational awareness before this is a call for me.

Peace

I'm spending too much energy trying to figure out what you're saying to actually try to convince you to do anything. Second, I'd never try to convince you to do anything anyway. What you're doing is working for you, apparently.

constable

rfp wrote
Similar question to a recent post about T-ing a player who, in frustration with himself, slammed the ball hard to the ground. Most seemed to agree this was not T-worthy since it wasn't directed at an opponent or official.

Similar situation: boys HS varsity playoff semi-final. Early in first half player A1 drives to the basket, gets fouled and the ball circles the rim and eventually falls off. By the time the ball falls to the ground, A1 is now in front of me at C position in front of the B bench. When he sees the shot miss, he drops the F-bomb loud enough for me and the B bench to hear. B coach wants a T. Waddya got?

Profanity regardless of who it is directed at, if it is loud enough for the fans to hear, our bosses around here want a T.

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
I'm spending too much energy trying to figure out what you're saying to actually try to convince you to do anything. Second, I'd never try to convince you to do anything anyway. What you're doing is working for you, apparently.

Yep!!!

Peace

Maineac

Jurassic Referee wrote
And if it's loud enough to be heard in the stands? Automatic "T" or judgment?

Yeah, then I'd go with the "T." I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but I guess for me this is a HTBT.

Jurassic Referee

Maineac wrote
Yeah, then I'd go with the "T." I know it sounds like splitting hairs, but I guess for me this is a HTBT.

I think it's more a case of different circumstances than splitting hairs.

Adam

JRutledge wrote
Yep!!!

Peace

I should add, what you're saying could get a lot of officials in trouble; apparently even in your area.

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