Dead ball Holding - sitch

ChuckElias

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Test time: Team B is in the bonus. A1 has the ball for
the throw-in. A2 holds B2 to get A3 open for the inbounds
pass. Foul is called. What happens next under NF & NCAA
rules?
1)NF-Personal foul on A2. B2 will shoot bonus FT's.
2)NCAA-team control foul on A2.B gets ball OOB for throw in.(I think).

How'd I do on the NCAA one,Slappy? [/B]

Ya done good, JR. Dan is napping, I think. 😛 But you're exactly right about the NCAA ruling. If, as in the original scenario, the official still had the ball, then it would be an intentional technical foul and B would shoot 2 FTs and get the ball at midcourt.

Chuck

DrakeM

Actually on THIS particular play, whether or not the ball
had been released WOULD factor into the play. If the ball had been released, then this would be just a normal foul, since the ball was intended for the player that was held.
If the ball was not released, then we could have an away from the play foul, or if the foul was committed across the floor on someone "not involved in the play".
Or if we're not under two minutes, then we have the "foul before the ball is released" option, which is two shots regardless of the penalty situation.😉

DrakeM

By the way Chuck,
Did you ever get paid for your USBL game?

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Looks like it's just we 2 here now...I weighed Woody the
other day, 70 lbs! 6 months old...quite a pooch. he's
loving the brisk weather & the falling leaves. [/B][/QUOTE]Wow!! I was gonna ask ya how my favorite little ball-less buddy was doing.Ever notice how eunuchs really pile on the weight after....?
Seriously,you thought of getting a saddle for him for the kids? Or maybe when Chuck comes to visit?

I am now running for cover!😃 Nighty-night!

ChuckElias

Drake, yes, I got paid for that last USBL game. Got the check about a month ago. Maybe I'll go back after all 🙂

Where is the rule for getting two shots on a foul committed before the ball is released on a throw-in with more than 2 minutes left in the game? I don't remember ever hearing or reading that. Help me out? Thanks

DrakeM

Chuck,
Rule 12B Sec I-(8)

DrakeM

The exception is the away from the play foul.

ChuckElias

Found it, Drake. Thanks. Also pulled out my Q&A and the foul under 2 minutes after the ball has been released on the throw-in is the very first first question in the book. LOL. Common foul. Good call.

Chuck

Stan

Originally posted by mick
Lead is about to administer an endline throw-in to Team A, but Lead is still holding the ball.
A2 prematurely starts her part of the "In-bound" play and gets grabbed by B2.
Center made a holding call.

What's your call?

No call because of 4-19-1-note, this rule may also apply to another post discussing false double fouls.

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by Stan

Originally posted by mick
Lead is about to administer an endline throw-in to Team A, but Lead is still holding the ball.
A2 prematurely starts her part of the "In-bound" play and gets grabbed by B2.
Center made a holding call.

What's your call?

No call because of 4-19-1-note, this rule may also apply to another post discussing false double fouls.

Reference is not applicable,Stan,unless you combine it with R4-19-5c.Correct call is an intentional technical foul because the ball is dead in this sitch.

mick

Originally posted by Stan

Originally posted by mick
Lead is about to administer an endline throw-in to Team A, but Lead is still holding the ball.
A2 prematurely starts her part of the "In-bound" play and gets grabbed by B2.
Center made a holding call.

What's your call?

No call because of 4-19-1-note, this rule may also apply to another post discussing false double fouls.

Stan,
RE: 4-19-1
That's what it looked like from where I was on the endline, ... until it was called. When my partner made the call it has to be a "T", doesn't it?
The "T" in this instance was, in my opinion, outside "spirit and intent", so, right or wrong, I died with my partner's call. 🙁
mick

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