can't have offensive "kicking" violation?

vbzebra

In a game tonight, A1 dribbling, loses PC, kicks ball. I blow a kicking violation. at half, partner says you can't have an offensive kicking violation. I didn't know that. correct call? or correct partner? 😮

APG

There is no provision in the rule that allows an offensive player to kick the ball. A kick ball violation is a violation for all.

I've had partners say this before. I usually always have my rule books with me and ask them kindly where I can find this "exception."

Adam

Now, the question is, did he kick it on purpose? That's all that matters. Typically, in your situation, the offensive player accidentally kicks it while running; no violation in that case.

mbyron

Snaqwells wrote
Now, the question is, did he kick it on purpose? That's all that matters. Typically, in your situation, the offensive player accidentally kicks it while running; no violation in that case.

I had a partner at camp last weekend who insisted on calling a kicking violation every time ball touched leg. Once it hit the back of the defender's leg. 🙄

bainsey

I had an attempted steal bounce off my leg and out of bounds. The coach wanted a kicking violation on me. I told him it wasn't intentional.

CoachCER

mbyron wrote
I had a partner at camp last weekend who insisted on calling a kicking violation every time ball touched leg. Once it hit the back of the defender's leg. :rolleyes:

That seems to be a trend among some officials in Georgia, so much so that most coaches believe that any contact with the leg is automatically a kick. This just happened to come up in conversation with some coaches in our program the other night.

Rooster

vbzebra wrote
In a game tonight, A1 dribbling, loses PC, kicks ball. I blow a kicking violation. at half, partner says you can't have an offensive kicking violation. I didn't know that. correct call? or correct partner? :eek:

Plus, once he or she loses PC he's no longer offensive player, right?

Nevadaref

The Rooster wrote
Plus, once he or she loses PC he's no longer offensive player, right?

No, there would still be team control.

BillyMac

I had a recreation league game many years ago in which Team A was about to start a three on one fast break. Somehow the ball gets loose on the floor. A1 kicks the ball ahead to A2 for the uncontested layup, which didn't count because I called a kicking violation. Come to find out that A1 was a star player on the high school soccer team who was playing basketball in the winter to stay in shape.

SmokeEater

I posted once a few years ago about a girl catching the ball on purpose between her legs. I called a violation and then took some time to explain intentional contact with the leg is a violation before she got T'd up. Honestly I could see it in her face as I made the call that an explanation was needed.

Rooster

Nevadaref wrote
No, there would still be team control.

Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Jurassic Referee

The Rooster wrote
Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Or a team control foul...or 3 seconds.

mbyron

The Rooster wrote
Ahhh. I'm a dope. Because there could still be a backcourt violation... Duh!:o

Well, we don't say there's still team control because there could be BC violation. That's a symptom, not a cause.

There's still team control because none of the 3 things that ends team control has happened.

Adam

mbyron wrote
Well, we don't say there's still team control because there could be BC violation. That's a symptom, not a cause.

There's still team control because none of the 3 things that ends team control has happened.

Grammaticist!

Mark Padgett

BillyMac wrote
Come to find out that A1 was a star player on the high school soccer team who was playing basketball in the winter to stay in shape.

Soccer - that's that game for kids who can't use their hands. 😀

mbyron

Snaqwells wrote
Grammaticist!

I thought you'd accuse me of being too metaphysical. 😮

Mark Padgett

mbyron wrote
I thought you'd accuse me of being too metaphysical. :eek:

I was accused once of being too metamental! Or maybe it was just being mental?

Nevadaref

Mark Padgett wrote
Soccer - that's that game for kids who can't use their hands. 😃

That's the game in which guys in Europe are making more money than those in the NFL and NBA.

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
That's the game in which guys in Europe are making more money than those in the NFL and NBA.

On average? Or just the top tier?

Nevadaref

Snaqwells wrote
On average? Or just the top tier?

Don't know. Would require a bit of research.