Let's take a trip..

Steven Tyler

mbyron wrote
I would treat this as similar to the play where the coach tells the runners to switch bases in order to move the faster runner into scoring position.

Call time. Eject the coach and the runners for unsporting conduct. Put a sub in for the runner who was formerly R1 and put him back on 2B, score the one who was R2, and leave the BR on 1B (they all reached base legitimately).

Somebody here will want some outs called, but the defense earned none and the offensive cheating prevented none.

Next batter. 😉

Your theory is flawed. Shame on the umpire (PU or BU) who is so inattentive he doesn't know the situation when there is a short stoppage in play. Keep your head in the game next time.

MrUmpire

mbyron wrote
I would treat this as similar to the play where the coach tells the runners to switch bases in order to move the faster runner into scoring position.

Call time. Eject the coach and the runners for unsporting conduct. Put a sub in for the runner who was formerly R1 and put him back on 2B, score the one who was R2, and leave the BR on 1B (they all reached base legitimately).

Somebody here will want some outs called, but the defense earned none and the offensive cheating prevented none.

Next batter. 😉

Yep.

David B

mbyron wrote
I would treat this as similar to the play where the coach tells the runners to switch bases in order to move the faster runner into scoring position.

Call time. Eject the coach and the runners for unsporting conduct. Put a sub in for the runner who was formerly R1 and put him back on 2B, score the one who was R2, and leave the BR on 1B (they all reached base legitimately).

Somebody here will want some outs called, but the defense earned none and the offensive cheating prevented none.

Next batter. 😉

I would ditto that. Makes sense.

Thanks
David

ManInBlue

Steven Tyler wrote
Your theory is flawed. Shame on the umpire (PU or BU) who is so inattentive he doesn't know the situation when there is a short stoppage in play. Keep your head in the game next time.

I don't see the correlation. What does a brain fart have to do with his theory? His theory sounds logical and well thought out to me. Yes, we should be attentive to the situation, location of runners etc. However, that wasn't the point of my question. And keep in mind - no one said it happened. It was, as stated, a third world play.

mbyron - I hadn't thought of it that way.

cbfoulds

Steven Tyler wrote
Your theory is flawed. Shame on the umpire (PU or BU) who is so inattentive he doesn't know the situation when there is a short stoppage in play. Keep your head in the game next time.

mbyron's "theory" is excellent. It is your [implied] "theory" [namely, that if the umpire notices the shenanigans before any further advance takes place, there is a no-penalty do-over] which is inadequate.

Yeah, I'm probably gonna notice before I put the ball in play; and when I do, the same people are gonna cease being participants in tonight's contest.

mbyron

ManInBlue wrote
mbyron - I hadn't thought of it that way.

How were you thinking of it? I've thought of some variations, such as putting the runners (or their subs) back on their bases, awarding the batter 1B, and moving the runners up because they're forced to advance by the award. Takes both runs off the board that way.

Depending on the quality of the batter's base hit, this solution might be superior.

ManInBlue

mbyron wrote
How were you thinking of it?

I couldn't make anything make sense, and I just stopped trying to figure it out - if we're being honest about it.

When he asked me, I said, "Well, hell, I don't know" He said, "Well it might just happen in this game, so pay attention." Then he jogged to first base. Jackass 😮

Nothing jumped up quite as simple, nor as easy, as your solution.

Rich Ives

I stopped reading when I got to:

"No one notices (umpires, coaches, Mom...no one). "

ManInBlue

Rich Ives wrote
I stopped reading when I got to:

"No one notices (umpires, coaches, Mom...no one). "

Your choice. Although, you have a good grasp of the rules and I'd be interested to know your take on the sitch.

I had to add that because it seems like someone's mother notices everything 🙄

justanotherblue

I'm thinking I got time, both runners and coach are ejected for unsportsman like conduct, put the batter back to the plate with two new baserunners, I'm not going to allow a run for cheating, with at least a 0-1 count.

mbyron

justanotherblue wrote
I'm thinking I got time, both runners and coach are ejected for unsportsman like conduct, put the batter back to the plate with two new baserunners, I'm not going to allow a run for cheating, with at least a 0-1 count.

By what rule will you take away the batter's hit? Nothing illegal about the hit.

Rich Ives

ManInBlue wrote
Your choice. Although, you have a good grasp of the rules and I'd be interested to know your take on the sitch.

I had to add that because it seems like someone's mother notices everything :rolleyes:

Toss the manager.

If the players are over 10 toss the players. Put the subs back where they should be.

Do a do-over. Ball was illegally put in play because the runners were not on their legal base (9.01(c) adaptation of 5.09(e))

kylejt

ManInBlue wrote
Runners on 1st and 2nd. D coach gets time to converse with his infield. While that's happening, O coach talks to his runners and batter. After it's all over, play is resumed with R2 and R3.

We're all assuming that the runners just moved up one. But what if R1 was on third, and R2 stayed put?

You put the ball in play, and then call time. Call R3(?) out for passing R2, eject him, and the coach. But leave R2 alone.

Why wouldn't you do that?

Steven Tyler

ManInBlue wrote
I don't see the correlation.

It was, as stated, a third world play.

Third world plays happen to third world umpires.

HokieUmp

Steven Tyler wrote
Third world plays happen to third world umpires.

Really? Is baseball that well played where you're at? Or do we have different definitions of what constitutes "third world" baseball?

I don't know that I've had plays of the type that get posted here, but I've had plenty of games where players didn't know their a$$ from their elbow, never mind what plays to make. In some games I've had, I've felt like it's a game of 18-on-2; a textbook example of why God gave man the concept of time - so we could invent the time-limit rule.

So how does it become the umpires fault when crap like that goes down? We can't coach 'em, and can't berate 'em, so where does that leave the umpire?