Counting

Johnny Ringo

Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

zebraman

yes

Mark Padgett

Do you mean 5 second closely guarded or 5 second inbound? Doesn't matter, you physically count both.

Newbies - do you do the same with both 10 second counts (backcourt and FT)?

Freddy

Johnny Ringo wrote
Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

Yes. Rule 2-7-9: "Silently and visibly counting seconds to administer . . . backcourt and closelely-guarded rules."

Johnny Ringo wrote
We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

That's not germane to the original question. That must be a different Jackson. 😉

Johnny Ringo

My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

Adam

Johnny Ringo wrote
My mistake on the original post ... might have been confusing.

Is it required to visibly count on all 5 second and 10-second bc violations? We don't show a visible count for three seconds.

Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Is silently counting in your head, but not showing the arm motion ok?

All counts are silent.

5 and 10 second counts are visible.

3 second counts are invisible.

I don't have my rule book with me, but this difference is spelled out. It might be in the mechanics book, I'm not sure.

My turn to ask a question.

Why do you ask?

bonehead

There is a difference between silently and visibly.
You can count silently in your head on the 3 sec. lane violation with no arm motion.
All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.
Counting out loud on a throw-in would be a big advantage to the thrower-in.
In my early years, a player asked if I could count out loud and I agreed to. I did not put the whistle in my mouth when counting and (you guessed it) I had a foul on the throw-in. By the time I got the whistle in and blew it the ball had advanced down the floor. Had to explain what happened. Never again!

Johnny Ringo

bonehead wrote
All other counts need an arm or hand motion and must be silent.

Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult 🙂 just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

bob jenkins

Johnny Ringo wrote
Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult 🙂 just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

You mean other than the 2-7-9 that was already mentioned in this thread?

Freddy

Johnny Ringo wrote
Is this supported anywhere in the rules? Or in the required mechanics of what we do.

Not trying to be difficult 🙂 just wanting to see if this is written anywhere! Thanks!

The faceless guy at the back of the book in picture #8 (at least in this book) illustrates the "visible count."

Adam

It's also in the officials' manual. Mine is the IAABO book, but it's #10 under "General Position and Coverage Responsibilities," page 18.

"All situations that involve counting, except the three second rule, require the official to display a visual count."

Johnny Ringo

Thanks. Rough crowd here all of the time. Don't understand why everyone has to be such smart asses 🙂

Many of you are experts at what you do and if you did not know it, a lot of players, coaches and fans come to this site to read and learn.

They don't have rule books or official's manuals and most will never have or see anything like.

Happy Holidays!

bonehead

It appears to me that Johnny Ringo is not an official. I think that it is great that he is trying to learn why we do what we do. The more fans that become familiar with the rules will mean less comments from the crowd.

Adam

Johnny Ringo wrote
Thanks. Rough crowd here all of the time. Don't understand why everone has to be such smart asses 🙂

Many of you are experst at what you do and if you did not know it, a lot of players, coaches and fans come to this site to read and learn.

They don't have rule books or official's manuals and most will never have or see anything like.

Happy Holidays!

I still have to ask. What makes you ask?

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
I still have to ask. What makes you ask?

As my Mom used to say, "Take a pill".

BillyMac

Today, with every game, from third grade on up, being taped, in some cases on a mom's cell phone, we all must show these visible counts at all times. No more, "Oh, I forgot to start my ten second count, I guess that I'll pick it up at, oh, three", or, "Gee, he's been closely guarded for a second or so, so I guess I'll pick up my count at, oh, let's see, two", like in the olden days, not that I ever did anything like that.

Johnny Ringo

Snaqwells wrote
I still have to ask. What makes you ask?

What makes anyone ask anything on this site? Looking for an answer or wanting to have a discussion. In my case, looking for an answer.

Thanks!

Back In The Saddle

Johnny Ringo wrote
Is it a required mechanic to count 10-seconds and 5-seconds?

We don't visibly count for a 3-second violation.

For those following along without the benefit of the books:

3 second count - Silent, not visible
5 second throw-in count - Silent, visible
5 second closely guarded - Silent, visible
10 second backcourt - Silent, visible
10 second free throw- Silent**, visible*

* Done using a much more subtle visual count, usually a wrist flick
** Sometimes done so silently the official who is counting can't even hear it. It's just as well, he has lot of other stuff to worry about 😉

I think this guy has a GREAT count mechanic!

mbyron

Johnny Ringo wrote
Is there a difference between silently and visibly?

Did you really ask that? Is there a difference between your ears and your eyes? Are you expecting a new Christmas carol, "Visible Night"? 😎

Adam

Johnny Ringo wrote
What makes anyone ask anything on this site? Looking for an answer or wanting to have a discussion. In my case, looking for an answer.

Thanks!

Often times questions are posed here due to situations that have come up in games, or debates that have come up in bars, or discussions that have come up at local association meetings. Just as often, those situations/debates/discussions are as interesting to us as the question itself.