Illegal / First Touching

jaybird

Stripes2 wrote
In the video the H is digging for his beanbag. Why doesn't he have it in his hand before the kick, toss it, and keep officiating?

That was the SJ. There was a flag but there was also a bean bag at the top of the numbers. Apparently, the official was initially confused and tossed a flag, but then followed that up by dropping a bean bag and picking up the flag. That's not the first time I've seen it happen.

TXMike

Official on Team B restraininig line dropped the bag (after he could dig it out) and the official on the Team restraining line dropped the flag as he moved into the pile

ump33

Stripes2 wrote
In the video the H is digging for his beanbag. Why doesn't he have it in his hand before the kick, toss it, and keep officiating?

TXMike wrote
Official on Team B restraininig line dropped the bag (after he could dig it out) and the official on the Team restraining line dropped the flag as he moved into the pile

When we suspect an onsides kick, the official(s) on R's restraining line will hold a bean bag in the hand closest to the kicking team. If the ball is touched by K on the "bean bag hand" side of R's restraining line, we have First Touching. If touched by K at R's restraining line or the "empty hand side", we wind the clock.

It is a nice mechanic, once you get used to it.

DeepWing55

Stripes2 wrote
In the video the H is digging for his beanbag. Why doesn't he have it in his hand before the kick, toss it, and keep officiating?

This is a basic mechanic, especially when you are expecting an onside kick.

Sonofanump

As a deep wing in 7 man and being on the "R" line I have my hand on the bag for all free kicks.

bigjohn

If the kick is ungrounded and short of the Free Kick line, it is a flag and a bag!

KCI and First touching, right?

ajmc

bigjohn wrote
If the kick is ungrounded and short of the Free Kick line, it is a flag and a bag! KCI and First touching, right?

It would be both KCI and first touching. One of the options available for the KCI penalty is R accepting a Fair Catch from the spot which would provide an advantage over simply accepting the spot of 1st touching, as the penalty allows R to choose to put the ball inplay by snap or free kick.

ump33

bigjohn wrote
If the kick is ungrounded and short of the Free Kick line, it is a flag and a bag!

KCI and First touching, right?

Good point. However, I would only throw the flag when K touches a kick in the air and report/enforce as KCI. Also, less than 10 yds no wind, if 10 yds or more wind the clock.

Welpe

bigjohn wrote
If the kick is ungrounded and short of the Free Kick line, it is a flag and a bag!

KCI and First touching, right?

Technically, yes. I only drop a flag though as the bag is redundant.

Bob M.

ajmc wrote
...as the penalty allows R to choose to put the ball inplay by snap or free kick.

REPLY: Except in this game, since NCAA doesn't allow the option to free kick after KCI.