Clock Status?

Moshiner1345

NFHS Rules please:

2nd and goal from the 5 yard line for team A. Live clock. Team A throws a TD pass and the clock stops with 5 secs. There is a penalty for illegal formation. Team B accepts the penalty. So now it's 2nd and goal from the 10. What's the clock status?

Durham

I am gonna have to go with live. A screwed up with a live clock and the flag was at the snap. mark it and chop it and if they are smart they will get the play off.

schmitty1973

I gotta go with the snap because the action which caused the down to end was a TD.

InsideTheStripe

Dead clock.

verticalStripes

The snap in varsity games. ( On the ready in sub-varsity games.. lol)

refbuz

When your enforcing a penalty, anytime a play ends in the endzone, the clock starts on the snap.

mbyron

Durham wrote
I am gonna have to go with live. A screwed up with a live clock and the flag was at the snap. mark it and chop it and if they are smart they will get the play off.

Although the flag was at the snap, the down continued and ended with a score.

As a general rule, ask yourself what happened during the down to kill the clock. Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the snap.

If there had been a false start penalty, then you'd be right to wind it on the ready.

kdf5

mbyron wrote
.......Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the RFP.

You mean snap, don't you?

Umpmazza

kdf5 wrote
You mean snap, don't you?

he did just say the same thing. RFP and on the wind

mbyron

kdf5 wrote
You mean snap, don't you?

Yes. Sorry -- fixed it.

kdf5

mbyron wrote
Yes. Sorry -- fixed it.

I could tell you knew.

Durham

mbyron wrote
Although the flag was at the snap, the down continued and ended with a score.

As a general rule, ask yourself what happened during the down to kill the clock. Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the snap.

If there had been a false start penalty, then you'd be right to wind it on the ready.

Ok, read it and now know what the rule says, but that is counter intuitive. A screwed up yet saved themselves by putting it in, seems like this hurts B a little too. Oh well.

mbyron

Durham wrote
Ok, read it and now know what the rule says, but that is counter intuitive. A screwed up yet saved themselves by putting it in, seems like this hurts B a little too. Oh well.

There are so many possible situation, multiple fouls, etc. that the rules-makers have to have a general solution to when to start the clock. The general rule references how the ball became dead. It's arbitrary, but sometimes arbitrary is fair (as in a coin toss).

kdf5

If you read the Redding Guide he talks about major and minor clock stoppers. Major clock stoppers include:

A ball or ball in player possession going OOB
An incomplete pass
B is awarded a new series
Either team is awarded a new series following a legal kick
A score
A fair catch is made
Can't think of any others??? Must be some......

Anyway, if you stop the clock and there are two reasons for stopping the clock (in this case the foul and the score) then the major stopper trumps the minor one and you start on the snap. This is a simplified summary of the Guide but it's a good one to know.