Throw-in sitch

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A1 has the ball side out in the f/c. He passes the ball too far & it's above the cylinder, B5 jumps & knocks the ball away. Under Fed rule set, what do you have?

Thanks in advance!

Adam

Ch1town wrote
A1 has the ball side out in the f/c. He passes the ball too far & it's above the cylinder, B5 jumps & knocks the ball away. Under Fed rule set, what do you have?

Thanks in advance!

An idiot playing defense.

Pretty sure this is BI, since he hits the ball while it's in the cylinder. Can't be GT since it's not a try, though. But, I'm no expert on GT/BI, so I'll leave this for Nevada to correct.

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Ok, I had a NCAA official run that sitch by me last night & BI is what he said too. I was always under the assumption that both GT & BI had to be on a try 😠

So BI on a throw-in or a pass is possible, doesn't seem right but it is possible...

Who says there's nothing to be gained by working wreck ball 😉

Thanks for confirming Snaqs!

M&M Guy

Ch1town wrote
Ok, I had a NCAA official run that sitch by me last night & BI is what he said too. I was always under the assumption that both GT & BI had to be on a try 😠

So BI on a throw-in or a pass is possible, doesn't seem right but it is possible...

Who says there's nothing to be gained by working wreck ball 😉

Thanks for confirming Snaqs!

When all else fails, go to the definition of BI - 4-6. There is no mention of a shot, try or tap in that definition. However, in the definition of goaltending, 4-22, there is the mention of a try or tap in flight.

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Absolutely. I don't know why I lumped the 2 together 🙁 but I got it down now!

Zoochy

That is correct. You CAN have BI during a Throw-in.
You CAN NOT have GT during a Throw-in.

vbzebra

Ch1town wrote
Absolutely. I don't know why I lumped the 2 together 🙁 but I got it down now!

But basket interferrence, i believe has to do with contacting the rim or net, right? In the original post, sir-hop-alot never hits either, just the ball. Please correct me if i'm wrong, don't have exact wording of books in front of me.

so...even if ball is above cylinder on a non-try (in this case, a throw-in) and genius defender (whom I'm jealous of, b/c i could never jump that high🙂 decides to act like a fly-swatter, it would still be goaltending?

Adam

vbzebra wrote
But basket interferrence, i believe has to do with contacting the rim or net, right? In the original post, sir-hop-alot never hits either, just the ball. Please correct me if i'm wrong, don't have exact wording of books in front of me.

so...even if ball is above cylinder on a non-try (in this case, a throw-in) and genius defender (whom I'm jealous of, b/c i could never jump that high🙂 decides to act like a fly-swatter, it would still be goaltending?

Goal tending requires a try, so this cannot be GT since it's during a throwin still.

BI does not, and it also includes contacting the ball while it is in the cylinder. There really is no such thing as "above the cylinder," so this would be BI.

If, however, he hits the ball before it gets into the cylinder, it's nothing. Play on.

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vbzebra wrote
But basket interferrence, i believe has to do with contacting the rim or net, right? In the original post, sir-hop-alot never hits either, just the ball. Please correct me if i'm wrong, don't have exact wording of books in front of me.

SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE

Basket interference occurs when a player:

ART.1...Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket.

ART.2...Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cyclinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.

ART.3...Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it enters the cylinder.

bob jenkins

Ch1town wrote
Ok, I had a NCAA official run that sitch by me last night & BI is what he said too. I was always under the assumption that both GT & BI had to be on a try 😠

So BI on a throw-in or a pass is possible, doesn't seem right but it is possible...

Who says there's nothing to be gained by working wreck ball 😉

Thanks for confirming Snaqs!

There's a specific case play that's nearly identical to the OP.

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bob jenkins wrote
There's a specific case play that's nearly identical to the OP.

Really, current or back in the day?

Umm where's Nevada @...

M&M Guy

Ch1town wrote
Really, current or back in the day?

Umm where's Nevada @...

I'm not Nevada, nor do I play him on TV.

But I believe 9.11.2(c) is what you're looking for.

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😀

Thank you sir!

BillyMac

M&M Guy wrote
But I believe 9.11.2(c) is what you're looking for.

9.11.2 SITUATION C: Since it is a violation for thrower A1 to throw the ball directly into the basket from out of bounds, what happens if B1 touches the throw-in pass while the ball is in the cylinder above A’s basket? RULING: B1 is charged with basket interference and a two-point goal is scored. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end lines as after a scored goal except the official shall place the ball at the disposal of a player of Team B for a throw-in from any point outside the end line. (4-6)

sseltser

BillyMac wrote
9.11.2 SITUATION C: Since it is a violation for thrower A1 to throw the ball directly into the basket from out of bounds, what happens if B1 touches the throw-in pass while the ball is in the cylinder above A’s basket? RULING: B1 is charged with basket interference and a two-point goal is scored. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end lines as after a scored goal except the official shall place the ball at the disposal of a player of Team B for a throw-in from any point outside the end line. (4-6)

Not that the rules book is without errors, but shouldn't this read "and two points are awarded to Team A."?

BillyMac

sseltser wrote
Not that the rules book is without errors, but shouldn't this read "and two points are awarded to Team A."?

Some times the casebook is somewhat less than rigid with rulebook terminology. I've actually seen the phrase, "call a timeout", in the casebook. I have. I really have.

bob jenkins

Ch1town wrote
Really, current or back in the day?

Umm where's Nevada @...

FWIW, I often found that if I took the time to look something up myself, that I'd find answers to several other questions that I didn't even know I had.

vbzebra

Ch1town wrote
SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE

Basket interference occurs when a player:

ART.1...Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket.

ART.2...Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cyclinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.

ART.3...Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it enters the cylinder.

Thanks for the info! I appreicate it. It makes more sense now😃

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sseltser wrote
Not that the rules book is without errors, but shouldn't this read "and two points are awarded to Team A."?

Not to be a smart a$$ but if: B1 is charged with basket interference at his opponents basket and a two-point goal is scored who else are the points going to be awarded to?

Adam

Ch1town wrote
Not to be a smart a$$ but if: B1 is charged with basket interference at his opponents basket and a two-point goal is scored who else are the points going to be awarded to?

I think his quibble is with "scored" as opposed to "awarded."