How can I prove this?

w_sohl

SAump wrote
I get lost there.

Able 3
Bruce 6
Charles 7
Davis DH for James
Eugene 8
Frank 2
George 5
Henry 9
Iban 4
James 1

Davis reaches base and James PR for him, lineup card now looks like this, James must bat in the 4 spot as he is running for his DH who batted there. Notice only 9 players as DH has been eliminated for remainder of game. Davis is a starter that has now left for the first time and James who he was batting for is still in the game as the starting pitcher.

Able 3
Bruce 6
Charles 7
James 1 (PR for DH Davis)
Eugene 8
Frank 2
George 5
Henry 9
Iban 4

Davis now reenters for the first time but now must play defense too and still has to bat in the 4 spot. He replaces James in the lineup and is inserted as the first basemen and Able moves to pitch. James has now left for the first time from his position as a starting pitcher and retains reentry rights.

Able 1
Bruce 6
Charles 7
Davis 3
Eugene 8
Frank 2
George 5
Henry 9
Iban 4

James now reenters, as pitcher moving Able back to first, and must do so for Davis in the 4 spot. Davis is now done for the day as he has exited a second time.

Able 3
Bruce 6
Charles 7
James 1
Eugene 8
Frank 2
George 5
Henry 9
Iban 4

Does this help anyone understand that wasn't to clear?

SAump

w_sohl wrote
[/LIST]Davis reaches base and James PR for him, lineup card now looks like this, James must bat in the 4 spot as he is running for his DH who batted there. Notice only 9 players as DH has been eliminated for remainder of game. Davis is a starter that has now left for the first time and James who he was batting for is still in the game as the starting pitcher.

Davis now reenters for the first time but now must play defense too and still has to bat in the 4 spot. He replaces James in the lineup and is inserted as the first basemen and Able moves to pitch. James has now left for the first time from his position as a starting pitcher and retains reentry rights.

[/LIST]James now reenters, as pitcher moving Able back to first, and must do so for Davis in the 4 spot. Davis is now done for the day as he has exited a second time.

Does this help anyone understand that wasn't to clear?

Ah. Can't argue that. Thanks.
Dumb me was looking at them back in the game at the same time.
Your explanation shows how it is possible to meet both criteria.

johnnyg08

so basically if he re-enters in the same spot in the lineup, for who was the previous DH, he can do that...but they can't re-enter him in a different spot in the lineup?

w_sohl

johnnyg08 wrote
so basically if he re-enters in the same spot in the lineup, for who was the previous DH, he can do that...but they can't re-enter him in a different spot in the lineup?

By DHing for James, Davis and James are locked into the 4th spot in the batting order for that particular game.

johnnyg08

okay, that makes sense...so in a sense, they're still locked into each other because they were connected to the DH

bob jenkins

johnnyg08 wrote
okay, that makes sense...so in a sense, they're still locked into each other because they were connected to the DH

I wouldn't use that logic, becasue it doesn't apply to OBR anbd NCAA.

I'd just use the FED rule that the DH and the DEFO can't both be in the game at the same time, and must bat in that particualr spot in the order.

johnnyg08

Okay, thanks Bob.

w_sohl

bob jenkins wrote
I wouldn't use that logic, becasue it doesn't apply to OBR anbd NCAA.

What is different in OBR and NCAA? Other than reentry of course.

bob jenkins

w_sohl wrote
What is different in OBR and NCAA? Other than reentry of course.

The DEFO can enter in the batting order in a spot other than that occupied by the DH. Both the DEFO and the DH can be on offense (or defense) at the same time.

w_sohl

bob jenkins wrote
The DEFO can enter in the batting order in a spot other than that occupied by the DH. Both the DEFO and the DH can be on offense (or defense) at the same time.

Not saying you are wrong, but that doesn't make sense to me. If you are the DH for someone how can the person they are DHing for bat? Isn't the DH tied to another player?

johnnyg08

you can have a pitcher/dh be the same person in NCAA...so when the pitcher is done, he can enter the game as the DH when he's done pitching. fun huh?

DG

w_sohl wrote
Not saying you are wrong, but that doesn't make sense to me. If you are the DH for someone how can the person they are DHing for bat? Isn't the DH tied to another player?

A pitcher, in OBR, never had a batting order slot, so if the DH takes a defensive position and pitcher stays in the game then the pitcher takes the batting slot of the defensive player removed. Thus both pitcher and DH are in the game at same time, but DH position is terminated.

In NCAA the pitcher can be designated at P/DH and can stay in the game as DH for the new pitcher if he leaves the pitcher position.

In FED, DH and the player he is DH for are locked into a batting order slot.

w_sohl

DG wrote
A pitcher, in OBR, never had a batting order slot, so if the DH takes a defensive position and pitcher stays in the game then the pitcher takes the batting slot of the defensive player removed. Thus both pitcher and DH are in the game at same time, but DH position is terminated.

In NCAA the pitcher can be designated at P/DH and can stay in the game as DH for the new pitcher if he leaves the pitcher position.

In FED, DH and the player he is DH for are locked into a batting order slot.

OK, I think I get it now. Wow, that sounds like the NCAA version can be pretty confusing.

SethPDX

w_sohl wrote
OK, I think I get it now. Wow, that sounds like the NCAA version can be pretty confusing.

You could say that. 😉

Carl wrote a free article on it. I read through it twice and still didn't understand it completely.

UmpJM

w_sohl wrote
OK, I think I get it now. Wow, that sounds like the NCAA version can be pretty confusing.

w_sohl,

That is an understatement.

DonInKansas

Law students use the NCAA DH rule to warm up for the bar exam.😃

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