Time Out

Back In The Saddle

fiasco wrote
Let's say it's a close game, and you use this procedure, and as Team A is inbouding the ball, Coach B starts screaming that he called time out. Do you still think it's an acceptable way to handle it?

Thinking about it, it seems reasonable that you could go to Coach B at the next available opportunity and say "Coach, your first timeout request was invalid, since it came while Team A had the ball. By rule, it was an inadvertent whistle. And since you didn't call timeout while the ball was dead after I blew the whistle, I didn't grant you a timeout."

You would be within the rules to do this, but is it good game management, seeing as though Coach B is likely to blow his stack?

No. Notice I said "that situation". Meaning in the specific instance you cited, what you did worked. From a game management point of view. And worked is good. However, it was incorrect and directly contradicts the case play that has been quoted.

Don't get hung on up whether or not you "granted" the time out. It's not really a relevant argument. A time out was requested. You blew your whistle, the ball is now dead. A time out request by either team during a dead ball must be granted. The coach still wants the time out. And now he's entitled to it. You're just going to have to eat this one.

BillyMac

Even if you immediately state "inadvertent whistle", the ball is now dead, and either team can request, and be granted a timeout during a dead ball. Inadvertent whistle doesn't cover up the error.

Timeout requests are one of those situations where "metric" rules are a little better than the NFHS rules.

Now let me tell you about real inadvertent whistles, A1 fouling A2 during a rebound situation. Believe it, or not, this has happened twice to me in twenty-nine years.

Back In The Saddle

It's happened to me once. The visiting team had two different color jerseys. One was silver, the other was the same shade of red as my face after I realized I'd just called a foul for one teammate fouling another. 😉

BillyMac

Back In The Saddle wrote
I'd just called a foul for one teammate fouling another.

Good luck finding that under Rule 4 - Definitions - Fouls.

However, what if two teammates start screaming f-bombs at each other, or take a swing at each other, and make contact, during a live ball? What type of fouls are these?

APG

BillyMac wrote
Good luck finding that under Rule 4 - Definitions - Fouls.

However, what if two teammates start screaming f-bombs at each other, or take a swing at each other, and make contact, during a live ball? What type of fouls are these?

Flagrant technical fouls

BillyMac

AllPurposeGamer wrote
Flagrant technical fouls.

Maybe for the f-bombs, but for contact fouls during a live ball?

APG

BillyMac wrote
Maybe for the f-bombs, but for contact fouls during a live ball?

Rule 4-19-1:

A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live...

By rule you can't call a personal foul since they aren't opponents. I'd label this as a flagrant unsporting act.

just another ref

Read the definition of fighting. It doesn't specify with whom one must be fighting for it to be considered a fight. Also, it contains the phrase "regardless of contact."

Back In The Saddle

BillyMac wrote
Good luck finding that under Rule 4 - Definitions - Fouls.

However, what if two teammates start screaming f-bombs at each other, or take a swing at each other, and make contact, during a live ball? What type of fouls are these?

It's under "accidental whistle" 😉

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