Tights

derwil

State office came back and said the we need to examine the Dr's excuse and deternine if it is medically necessary. If so, he can play. So I guess we all need to go to medical school.

Tonight in the championship game, his equipment manager had too much... ummm..."celebration" from the Alabama/Auburn game and left the excuse back at the school. No excuse/no tights. He ended up with 21 point including the game winning 3 with time running out. Just think about what he'd have done with the tights!😃

Nevadaref

derwil wrote
State office came back and said the we need to examine the Dr's excuse and deternine if it is medically necessary. If so, he can play. So I guess we all need to go to medical school.

I don't know what state you are in, but the folks in your office don't have a clue about proper rules enforcement. 🙁

I do applaud your efforts to do it right. 🙂

Caesar's Ghost

BillyMac wrote
Then, why the Caesar's Ghost username? In the "Adventures of Superman" television series, Perry White, Clark Kent's editor, would often exclaim, "Great Caesar's Ghost!".

My favorite quote started each episode, "Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Superman!"

Whats it to you? I came here to discuss officiating -specifically the one question I had - not discuss some tv show drom 50 years ago. If its somehow an illegal name I'll change it.

Scrapper1

While I agree that Nevadaref has posted the correct interp and that tights are not allowed for any reason, I think this is a pretty silly rule. As someone else pointed out, legal compression shorts and very tall socks accomplish the exact same thing and are perfectly legal. So what's the big deal about tights? Just say they have to be the same color as the shorts with no logo or adornment. Dumb to outlaw them.

Scrapper1

Caesar's Ghost wrote
Whats it to you? I came here to discuss officiating -specifically the one question I had - not discuss some tv show drom 50 years ago. If its somehow an illegal name I'll change it.

Dude, relax. He's making conversation. Curiosity. It's an unusual name with a fairly well-known origin, yet you say you're not using it for that reason. Isn't it normal to wonder (and polite conversation to ask) why, then, you use it?

That's it. Nothing more. If it's deeply personal, you don't need to answer.

BillyMac

Scrapper1 wrote
Dude, relax. He's making conversation. Curiosity. It's an unusual name with a fairly well-known origin, yet you say you're not using it for that reason. Isn't it normal to wonder (and polite conversation to ask) why, then, you use it? That's it. Nothing more. If it's deeply personal, you don't need to answer.

Thanks Scrapper1. I don't know if you know this, or not, but Caesar's Ghost is a moderator in training, and is practicing discouraging offtopic posts on the Forum. And, boy, did his most recent post scare the hell out of me. I might not ever post an off topic comment again. Wait until Caesar's Ghost runs into Mark Padgett. Things will really hit the fan then.

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
I don't know what state you are in, but the folks in your office don't have a clue about proper rules enforcement. 🙁

I do applaud your efforts to do it right. 🙂

I agree with you on the rule, but....

My state is one that frankly doesn't want to get into a pissing match with doctors on medical necessity. We were told just to make sure the note wasn't from his dentist or chiropractor; not to read it and decide if we agree with the doctor's diagnosis and treatment.

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
We were told just to make sure the note wasn't from his dentist, or chiropractor.

My son will be getting his PhD in Sociology. I hope that you would accept a note from him, after he graduates. He has put a lot of hard work into this, so you have to accept his note.

Adam

BillyMac wrote
My son will be getting his PhD in Sociology. I hope that you would accept a note from him, after he graduates. He has put a lot of hard work into this, so you have to accept his note.

BrainMac? Nope, sorry. But I'd accept a note from Mac Taylor.

JRutledge

If there are religious reasons, I would check with your local authorities on that. There might be a "wavier" for those that have a religious reasoning for such an item. If there is no "wavier, then they are technically illegal. But understand that if someone wants to, they might just sue you over that. I understand the rule, but I am not willing to be sued over something to prevent something from being illegal if the item is not unsafe or if the item is only illegal for esthetics.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
If there are religious reasons, I would check with your local authorities on that. There might be a "wavier" for those that have a religious reasoning for such an item.

Wouldn't the governing body that writes the waiver know enough about the rules to simple tell the player to wear pants, that are perfectly legal, instead of tights, that are illegal. I'm not a theologian, nor do I play one on television, but I doubt that there's a religion out there that requires their followers to wear tights. There probably are religions that require their followers to cover their legs in public, which can be accomplished with a pair of pants.

I officiated a girls game involving a local Christan school a few years ago that had players wearing skirts. Odd looking, but legal.

I just realized that there are several straight lines here for Mark Padgett to take advantage of, but I'll leave them in to make my point.

Adam

Billy, you're right. However, check with your state governing body. The rule may be the rule, but we answer to our states more than we answer to the NFHS.

Of course, if you're an IAABO state like me (and you), it gets even more complicated.

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
Of course, if you're an IAABO state like me (and you), it gets even more complicated.

You're telling me. We would have to involve the International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, the National Federation of State High School Associations, and the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference. There are enough letters in these three acronyms to put together a nice, big pot of alphabet soup.

Adam

BillyMac wrote
You're telling me. We would have to involve the International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, the National Federation of State High School Associations, and the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference. There are enough letters in these three acronyms to put together a nice, big pot of alphabet soup.

I get a kick out of the fact that while Colorado is an IAABO state, we are not following the IAABO mechanic of having the calling official go opposite on fouls. IAABO is making this switch, NFHS is not; CO is following NFHS.

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
I get a kick out of the fact that while Colorado is an IAABO state, we are not following the IAABO mechanic of having the calling official go opposite on fouls. IAABO is making this switch, NFHS is not; CO is following NFHS.

It was sad day when IAABO switched from NFHS mechanics to IAABO mechanics. What's next? IAABO rules? At one point, about twenty five years ago, we had gray IAABO jerseys. Everyone always asked, "Why aren't you wearing stripes?".

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Wouldn't the governing body that writes the waiver know enough about the rules to simple tell the player to wear pants, that are perfectly legal, instead of tights, that are illegal. I'm not a theologian, nor do I play one on television, but I doubt that there's a religion out there that requires their followers to wear tights. There probably are religions that require their followers to cover their legs in public, which can be accomplished with a pair of pants.

I officiated a girls game involving a local Christan school a few years ago that had players wearing skirts. Odd looking, but legal.

I just realized that there are several straight lines here for Mark Padgett to take advantage of, but I'll leave them in to make my point.

There was a situation where my state gave a waiver for a girl that was Muslim. At the time the rule was a little different and the rule was later changed, but they did not want us making personal decisions on these situations.

The bottom line is you want the kids to play. You do not want to be so technical if you can avoid it. Religion is a touchy subject and I do not want to be the person they come looking for if there is a legitimate religious expression.

Peace

Juulie Downs

Cool signature line, Jeff!

Rosa sat so Martin could walk.
Martin walked so Obama could run.
Barack ran so that our children could fly.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
The bottom line is you want the kids to play. You do not want to be so technical if you can avoid it. Religion is a touchy subject and I do not want to be the person they come looking for if there is a legitimate religious expression.

I really like your bottom line. And I am all for legitimate religious expression, just check out my signature. I work with Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus, and we learn a lot about each other by discussing the similarities, and differences, in our different faiths. But, seriously, is there a legitimate, mainstream religion that requires their followers to wear tights, not pants?

BillyMac

Juulie Downs wrote
Rosa sat so Martin could walk.
Martin walked so Obama could run.
Barack ran so that our children could fly.

Our children fly, allowing us to leave this planet a much better place than when we were born.

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
But, seriously, is there a legitimate, mainstream religion that requires their followers to wear tights, not pants?

There are religions that require them to cover up, not necessarily wear tights as opposed to pants. Honestly I do not think it really matters that much to me either way. That is why I said to check with your local associations or state associations. I am sure some schools that are religious would not allow their players to wear things that are normally considered illegal. I have seen kids that were Jewish insist wearing a Yamaka (sp?) and others not wear one at all.

The problem with religion is there are so many interpretations of what should be done and what should not be done. Not everyone Muslim woman wears a burka of any kind or head dress. It really comes down to what the individual thinks is important to them.

Peace

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