Mlb fpsr?!?!

mbyron

Rich Ives wrote
slide or roll block

Doesn't have to be a slide - thats why it's "or"

If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block.

Fits the bill.

Interference.

A roll block is one kind of illegal slide, and involves a player touching the ground with something other than the soles of his shoes. Whether it was interference or not, it was clearly not a roll block.

Whether it was interference or not, MLBUM 6.3 provides no guidance on this play.

Rich Ives

mbyron wrote
A roll block is one kind of illegal slide, and involves a player touching the ground with something other than the soles of his shoes. Whether it was interference or not, it was clearly not a roll block.

Whether it was interference or not, MLBUM 6.3 provides no guidance on this play.

I'm not making this stuff up.

Re-read the definition in the interp:

If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block.

Whether you like it or not, the move met the criteria.

mbyron

Rich Ives wrote
I'm not making this stuff up.

Re-read the definition in the interp:

If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block.

Whether you like it or not, the move met the criteria.

The definition suggests that the player makes contact with the ground after contacting the fielder. That does not happen when a player merely runs into a fielder.

You can't have a roll block without a roll.

Whether you like it or not, the move fails to meet the criteria.

Matt

mbyron wrote
The definition suggests that the player makes contact with the ground after contacting the fielder. That does not happen when a player merely runs into a fielder.

You can't have a roll block without a roll.

Whether you like it or not, the move fails to meet the criteria.

The first two examples in 6.3 don't meet that (literal) criteria, yet are still considered interference. The runner in those also never slides or contacts the ground.

SanDiegoSteve

It was interference. Vittorino had no intention of gaining second base, only in contacting the fielder.

It was called immediately, not later.

The umpires convened to make sure that they were ruling properly in returning both runners.

They got the call right.

The End.

umpjim

What about the guys throughout the season that had no intention of gaining 2B (knowing that they were out already) but while sliding within or sometimes not within a reach of second base tried to take out F4 or F6. I've seen no calls on those during the season. Has something changed or is the lack of a slide make it different?

bossman72

SanDiegoSteve wrote
It was interference. Vittorino had no intention of gaining second base, only in contacting the fielder.

It was called immediately, not later.

The umpires convened to make sure that they were ruling properly in returning both runners.

They got the call right.

The End.

Under pure OBR, i'm confused as to why this is interference. I thought a slide was not required... :confused::confused:

Devil's advocate:

Why is a similar (more malicious) play at home plate with collisions with the catcher not called interference? They obviously are not trying to reach the base in that instance.

justanotherblue

bossman72 wrote
Under pure OBR, i'm confused as to why this is interference. I thought a slide was not required... :confused::confused:

Devil's advocate:

Why is a similar (more malicious) play at home plate with collisions with the catcher not called interference? They obviously are not trying to reach the base in that instance.

It wasn't the lack of a slide, it was the deliberate contact he made with intent to prevent the double play. I missed it initially during live play, on the link you can see it clearly.

As for part 2, when the catcher is trying to block the plate as in MLB, do you really think he is trying for a DP??

SanDiegoSteve

bossman72 wrote
Under pure OBR, i'm confused as to why this is interference. I thought a slide was not required... :confused::confused:

Devil's advocate:

Why is a similar (more malicious) play at home plate with collisions with the catcher not called interference? They obviously are not trying to reach the base in that instance.

It's like pornography. I'll know it when I see it (Which on this site is about once a week! 😮 ).

As for plays at the plate, the runner is still trying to touch the plate and score the run when he is trying to knock the catcher on his butt and dislodge the ball. The difference is that he doesn't need to gain home plate and stay there like he does at second base. If Vittorino would have came in standing up on the bag and stayed there, I don't think Joyce would have banged him for INT. But he totally kept going past the base (without ever touching it, no less) with no intention of trying to acquire a base that requires acquisition. Home plate only needs to be touched.

johnnyg08

Joyce called INT...in the replay you can see him pointing...they turned the double play anyway so in his mind the play was over...I too, was surprised to have to have the mgr come out to have them pull the run off the board...and once again, the announcers make it difficult for the rest of us by telling the viewing audience that "the runner has to slide" I can't wait until I have to deal with that one again this coming spring.

PeteBooth

UmpJM (nee CoachJM) wrote
I was just watching the end of the Phillies v. Brewers game Saturday night, and I was wondering if anyone knew when MLB instituted the FPSR.

Somehow, that had escaped me.

JM

Just like the FPSR IMO, the call the other night is not consistent.

In the Cubs / Dodgers series, Derek Lee slid into second base on the front end of a DP. Lee actually had his hand raised in the air which F4/F6 (can't remember) hit when throwing to first base.

Nothing was called.

The bottom line is this: It is a judgement call and just like the FPSR IMO, you will not see it called consistently from game to game.

Pete Booth

Kevin Finnerty

You are supposed to slide with your hands in the air. It is what instructors teach. It is a fundamental that helps in several ways. It is rare that a runner's hand gets hit like Lee's.

hawkishowl20

RichMSN wrote
I was there. I'm surprised it took a manager coming out and a conference of six to put the runners back.

Robin Yount is the Brewers bench coach. He knows baseball better than anyone; including the six major league umpires and the manager he told to talk to them.

Rich

hawkishowl20 wrote
Robin Yount is the Brewers bench coach. He knows baseball better than anyone; including the six major league umpires and the manager he told to talk to them.

I had to wait over an hour for a shuttle after the game. Perhaps Robin could've given us a ride to State Fair Park and/or made us something to eat/drink while we waited.

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