Technical foul?

oldschool

Doing a freshman tournament over the weekend a player in frustration after a missed basket turned and swung his arm. Unfortunately he struck the player behind him in the face. What is your call.

btaylor64

oldschool wrote
Doing a freshman tournament over the weekend a player in frustration after a missed basket turned and swung his arm. Unfortunately he struck the player behind him in the face. What is your call.

I have an offensive foul as the player makes contact if he doesn't make contact I have a violation or technical foul.

jdw3018

Have to see it, but one of three things: personal foul, intentional foul, or flagrant foul.

From your description characterizing it as accidental, probably a personal foul.

Couldn't be a technical foul (unless the ball was dead - doesn't sound like it was).

Adam

btaylor64 wrote
I have an offensive foul as the player makes contact if he doesn't make contact I have a violation or technical foul.

Probably not offensive, as it's after a shot(unless an offensive rebound was involved, which I doubt from the OP).

Regardless, I'd go with a run-of-the-mill personal foul on this one most likely.

If it was a solid hit, you can go with an intentional foul as it could constitute "excessive" contact. It's an option.

grunewar

Language from the rule book definitions in R4-19:

-ART. 1 A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live.
- ART. 5 A technical foul is:
(b) a noncontact foul by a player.
(c) an intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except a foul by an airborne player.
-ART. 4 A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as striking, kicking or kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact...

Mark Padgett

If you think he was just frustrated, it's probably best to call it intentional. If you think he was mad at the other player (perhaps for causing him to miss the shot), then a flagrant would be best. Remember, the penalty for a flagrant also includes ejection.

From your post, I agree that an intentional is warranted.

btaylor64

Snaqwells wrote
Probably not offensive, as it's after a shot(unless an offensive rebound was involved, which I doubt from the OP).

Regardless, I'd go with a run-of-the-mill personal foul on this one most likely.

If it was a solid hit, you can go with an intentional foul as it could constitute "excessive" contact. It's an option.

I apologize I missed the fact that it was a loose ball off of a missed shot. You're right. Having not seen the play I'm just going with a regular foul but def a foul regardless of severity of contact. Hits to the head cannot be ignored.

Adam

btaylor64 wrote
I apologize I missed the fact that it was a loose ball off of a missed shot. You're right. Having not seen the play I'm just going with a regular foul but def a foul regardless of severity of contact. Hits to the head cannot be ignored.

Agreed.

M&M Guy

Snaqwells wrote
Agreed.

Cool, as long as we're consistent.

Btw, what's a comlaint?

Mark Padgett

How's my sentence structure? Please go here to file a comlaint.

Snaqwells, it's not your sentence structure, it's your spelling. 😀

Damn, M&M Guy beat me to it. Of course, his spelling isn't that good, since sometimes he comes out of the pack as W&W Guy. 😉

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
Btw, what's a comlaint?

Quite possibly the most ironically funny (due to the fact that it was completely inadvertent) thing I've ever written.
I think I'll leave it alone for a while; as much as I love changing my sig.

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
Cool, as long as we're consistent.

Yup, and per request from coaches everywhere, we'll call it both ways. It might be hard to find the 2nd one, but we'll find it.

M&M Guy

Snaqwells wrote
as much as I love changing my sig.

I love changing mine.

I just haven't, because no one's comlained.

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
I love changing mine.

I just haven't, because no one's comlained.

At some point, I'm going to have to tell you to STFU.

Someone should tell Padgett to take his meds. I'd do it, but he scares me.

I changed my mind and fixed the error. My credibility is at stake.

Not that I'd recommend it, but I suppose people could call 911 to complain about my grammar and/or sentence structure.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

oldschool wrote
Doing a freshman tournament over the weekend a player in frustration after a missed basket turned and swung his arm. Unfortunately he struck the player behind him in the face. What is your call.

Since the contact happened after a missed field goal attempt, I am going to make the educated assumption that the ball was still live. Therefore if illegal contact occured, the foul will be a personal foul. This is a play that one has to see to make a definite decision but at the very least it will be a common foul or an intentional foul at the worst. I cannot see this being a flagrant foul unless he knocked out his opponent; this is the portion of the play I would have to see.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

btaylor64 wrote
I have an offensive foul as the player makes contact if he doesn't make contact I have a violation or technical foul.

This is only an offensive foul if the game was being played under NBA/WNBA rules.

MTD, Sr.

Mark Padgett

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
but at the very least it will be a common foul (player control foul)

Hey namesake, why did you say "player control foul" since the player was not in possession of the ball? From the post, it did not seem the shooter was still in the air when he swung his arm, I think. Did you interpret that differently?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark Padgett wrote
Hey namesake, why did you say "player control foul" since the player was not in possession of the ball? From the post, it did not seem the shooter was still in the air when he swung his arm, I think. Did you interpret that differently?

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What was I thinking? I have absolutely no idea why I would have made such a stupid statement. I will go back and edit my post. Thank you oh "GREAT ONE."

MTD, Sr.

Mark Padgett

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
What was I thinking? I have absolutely no idea why I would have made such a stupid statement. I will go back and edit my post. Thank you oh "GREAT ONE."

MTD, Sr.

Don't worry. I'm sending you some meds. Soon you'll be as cognizant as me! 😛

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark Padgett wrote
Don't worry. I'm sending you some meds. Soon you'll be as cognizant as me! :p

Mark:

Oh goodie!! I can't wait to receive them.

MTD, Sr.