Team Control signal for Men's NCAA

Snake~eyes

Point the other direction as preliminary (wave off basket). Then report the foul just like any other foul (count the bucket if necessary).

truerookie

JRutledge wrote
No. You better let everyone know that you are not shooting FTs or you will have to come back and explain why you are not shooting IMHO.

Peace

Rut, I understand the philosophy. I just ask and you answered my question

IREFU2

BadNewsRef wrote
It's only been brought up to me once and that was at a college camp 2 years ago. I was using the new (at the time) NFHS "punch" mechanic at the spot of the foul and the evaluator didn't like it at all (even though the camp was using FED rules). He preferred pointing the direction the ball would now be going and then using the block/push/etc mechanic for the table.

My JUCO supervisor (a veteran D1 official), nor any of his observers, has never brought up the subject. So I just copy what I see on TV.

I know in my HS games I never get it right. Most times I point in the new direction at the spot and then I sometimes use a 'punch' for the table and sometimes the push/block/etc mechanic.

Thats because you are a big dog!!!!

Stat-Man

I thought the NCAA rule book used to have NCAA-M use the PC signal for TC.

(Checks 2007-08 Book)

Nope, no signal for TC in NCAA-M.

Why NCAA-M can't use the jab like all the other rule bodies do is beyond me. 😛

JRutledge

Stat-Man wrote
Why NCAA-M can't use the jab like all the other rule bodies do is beyond me. :p

Men's basketball does not want to be like Women's basketball. It is that simple. And "other" forms of basketball are run by Mary Struckoff (outside of the NBA of course).

Peace

truerookie

JRutledge wrote
Men's basketball does not want to be like Women's basketball. It is that simple. And "other" forms of basketball are run by Mary Struckoff (outside of the NBA of course).

Peace

Come on Rut, you should retract that statement.

This pass season I have seen Men's basketball have the trail official chop the clock when the ball is in the front court.

So, the statement Men's basketball does not want to be like Women's is not true.

Mark Dexter

JRutledge wrote
No. You better let everyone know that you are not shooting FTs or you will have to come back and explain why you are not shooting IMHO.

Peace

Precisely my thoughts.

As a scorekeeper, I very much prefer being given some sort of PC/TC signal during reporting. Otherwise, there's a good chance I'm going to buzz you over to the table to double-check if we should have the 1-and-1.

JRutledge

truerookie wrote
Come on Rut, you should retract that statement.

This pass season I have seen Men's basketball have the trail official chop the clock when the ball is in the front court.

So, the statement Men's basketball does not want to be like Women's is not true.

Why would I retract that statement? I just came back from a D1 camp and they constantly made references to this not being Women's basketball with certain mechanics that were used. And for your information many mechanics you see have been used for years before Women's basketball decided to use them as official mechanics.

We were constantly told to use the stop clock signal. We were told not to walk and talk during foul reporting. And I could give a couple of more examples but you should get the idea. And I can tell you with the new coordinator for NCAA Men's if he has any say it will likely not change that much because I was under the impression he did not like many of the NBA/Women's Officiating mechanics.

Peace

JRutledge

Mark Dexter wrote
Precisely my thoughts.

As a scorekeeper, I very much prefer being given some sort of PC/TC signal during reporting. Otherwise, there's a good chance I'm going to buzz you over to the table to double-check if we should have the 1-and-1.

I give the PC signal for TC fouls. I have never been told to stop using it, so that is what I do. I also verbalize the call so there is little confusion over what we are going to do next.

Peace

Scrapper1

I posted a thread with this same topic a while ago. I don't know if it will help you, but here's the link:

http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=40711

I think you have to give some indication at the table that you're not going to shoot free throws. If your assignor doesn't like the PC signal (as mine does not), probably best to verbalize "team control" at the table.

Raymond

Scrapper1 wrote
... probably best to verbalize "team control" at the table.

That has worked for me so far.

Mwanr1

JRutledge wrote
I give the PC signal for TC fouls. I have never been told to stop using it, so that is what I do. I also verbalize the call so there is little confusion over what we are going to do next.

Peace

That's exactly why we need a TC signal because we have guys from all over the states using different mechanics.

Raymond

Mwanr1 wrote
That's exactly why we need a TC signal because we have guys from all over the states using different mechanics.

I don't thinks it's that big an issue. I think at the NCAA level most officials know whether or not a team is in the bonus.

Mwanr1

BadNewsRef wrote
I don't thinks it's that big an issue. I think at the NCAA level most officials know whether or not a team is in the bonus.

The signal isn't only for the officials working the game, but it's a tool to communicate with players, coaches, and the score-table. I know we careless about the fans, but to some extend for them as well.

Raymond

Mwanr1 wrote
The signal isn't only for the officials working the game, but it's a tool to communicate with players, coaches, and the score-table. I know we careless about the fans, but to some extend for them as well.

Sh!t, I can't the get TC mechanics straight for my HS games. I'm more effective with loudly yelling "offensive" on the spot and "team control" when reporting.

Mark Dexter

JRutledge wrote
I give the PC signal for TC fouls. I have never been told to stop using it, so that is what I do. I also verbalize the call so there is little confusion over what we are going to do next.

Peace

I know that you do but, unfortunately, you haven't been assigned to any games where I've kept the book.

JRutledge

Mark Dexter wrote
I know that you do but, unfortunately, you haven't been assigned to any games where I've kept the book.

You would be confused with the PC signal?

Peace

Scrapper1

JRutledge wrote
You would be confused with the PC signal?

No, JRut. He said UNfortunately you don't work his games. He would like the officials on the floor to give some indication -- either the PC or TC signal -- but they don't in his area. So he was wishing that you worked games closer to him.

Mark Dexter

What Scrapper said.

Frankly, I don't care if the official gives the hand behind the head, a fist punch, or just says "offensive," "Team control," or "player control." If I'm not certain that it was one of those categories, I'm going to let you know that we should be shooting bonus FTs.