Back From Camp....

Nevadaref

Snake~eyes wrote
And I disagree with a good amount of the tidbits listed.

Please list which ones and why. It would make for decent discussion.

Dan_ref

Nevadaref wrote
I agree...WITH DAN!!! 😮 What the heck? I must be ill. 😉

Good. Send me your number, I'll have my calls forwarded to you.

Scrapper1

Dan_ref wrote
Hey Scrapper...if I have an intentional from behind I'm coming in with crossed arms and I'm taking the call. And we aint gonna huddle. And I'm going to deal with the coach. And the phone calls after the game.

That's fine, too. But we both know that there are officials who will defer this call because it's coming right at the Lead or it's out of their of their primary or whatever. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but if that's my partner and they want to share info with me, I don't think that's so horrible.

JRutledge

This is camp. Not everything that is said at camp is law or should be used. There are many things I agree with and other things I do not agree with. And a lot of what you hear at camp is subject to the level or supervisor that is running the camp. When you are at camp you should decide what works and use it, and figure out what does not work and throw it away.

Peace

ajs8207

Larks wrote
Stuff from camp this weekend....

5. When a time out is called, your feet do not move to go to your designated spot until both teams are in their respective huddle. Watch the teams

So we don't move to report until both teams are in their respective huddles? Or we report, but don't leave the reporting area until both teams are in their respective huddles?

truerookie

ajs8207 wrote
So we don't move to report until both teams are in their respective huddles? Or we report, but don't leave the reporting area until both teams are in their respective huddles?

I believe (the intent) the two non-reporting officials should go into dead ball officiating when this happens.

grunewar

zebraman wrote

#18 What does that mean?
18. Don't have to get the game back under control.

I read this a couple of times too. My take was - Don't let the game get out of control, then, you "don't have to to get the game back under control....."

Jurassic Referee

Scrapper1 wrote
That's fine, too. But we both know that there are officials who will defer this call because it's coming right at the Lead or it's out of their of their primary or whatever. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but if that's my partner and they want to share info with me, I don't think that's so horrible.

Yup, and those officials are the guys with a U2 mentality. That clinician(who was also the D1 league assignor iirc) imo is kinda telling you in #14 that he can find U2's anywhere, but if you want to get hired, you should have the mentality of an R. You're willing to take care of bidness and make the tough call without having to hold a vote on it first.

Imo, just make the damn call. If one of your partners wants to share something with you, he can still come to you.....after.

I think that clinician wants officials who officiate with confidence and believe in their own ability. Fwiw I agree with him.

Back In The Saddle

grunewar wrote
I read this a couple of times too. My take was - Don't let the game get out of control, then, you "don't have to to get the game back under control....."

That was my take too. It's hard to get a game that's been out of control back under. It can take a pretty drastic change to the way you're calling the game (admitedly it's probably a change nearer to how the game should have been being called). It's a lot easier to start out tight and loosen up as the players adjust and settle in than to be too loose to start and have to tighten up or reign it in. At least that's my experience.

Rich

Larks wrote
Stuff from camp this weekend....

4. Don't Chew Gum

The list is a good one, but I'll still have my cool apple gum in my mouth next season. I get dry mouth and the gum works for me.

Texas Aggie

A favorite thing for clinicians to say when they run out of things to say. Rotate when needed.

While I agree that too many clinicians talk when they run out of things to say, this is still good advice, especially for the guy who doesn't have a great deal of in-season 3 man game experience. I find out every year when working with guys at camp that aren't new, but worked 80% or more of their games in 2 man, that they don't rotate near enough. Some not at all.

Dan_ref

Texas Aggie wrote
While I agree that too many clinicians talk when they run out of things to say, this is still good advice, especially for the guy who doesn't have a great deal of in-season 3 man game experience. I find out every year when working with guys at camp that aren't new, but worked 80% or more of their games in 2 man, that they don't rotate near enough. Some not at all.

Sure I agree with that. But how is "find a reason to rotate" going to get their azzes over to the other side of the court? It's not IMO

What these guys need are 2 or 3 or 4 good reasons to rotate to work into their game.

Back In The Saddle

Dan_ref wrote
Sure I agree with that. But how is "find a reason to rotate" going to get their azzes over to the other side of the court? It's not IMO

What these guys need are 2 or 3 or 4 good reasons to rotate to work into their game.

I think what advice like this is aimed at is giving the advisee a change of mindset. We've all seen the inexperienced 3-person L perched on the precipice of close down, body leaning forward, unsure if he should really rotate. "Find a reason to rotate" changed my thinking about rotation from wanting to be 110% sure before I went, to literally looking for reasons to do it. Once the mindset was in place, it was fairly simple for clinicians to teach me 2 or 3 or 4 specific triggers I should be looking for.

I think it's the same with the 110% call after kicking one. It's attempting to give the camper something positive to focus on after kicking a call, rather than wallowing and getting skittish about not blowing any more calls. Kind of the same difference in mindset as that between "win" and "don't lose".

Just my $0.02

Dan_ref

Back In The Saddle wrote
I think what advice like this is aimed at is giving the advisee a change of mindset. We've all seen the inexperienced 3-person L perched on the precipice of close down, body leaning forward, unsure if he should really rotate. "Find a reason to rotate" changed my thinking about rotation from wanting to be 110% sure before I went, to literally looking for reasons to do it. Once the mindset was in place, it was fairly simple for clinicians to teach me 2 or 3 or 4 specific triggers I should be looking for.

OK, this one is like whatever. You say potato, I say mushroom soup.

I think it's the same with the 110% call after kicking one. It's attempting to give the camper something positive to focus on after kicking a call, rather than wallowing and getting skittish about not blowing any more calls. Kind of the same difference in mindset as that between "win" and "don't lose".

Now we disagree. If you think it's tough knowing when to rotate waiting for that 110% moment just wait until you need to get to 110% before you blow the whistle.

There is no way after a call I know is not the best ever made that I will stop blowing my whistle until I am 110% sure there is a need. What if I'm just 107% sure? What if I'm 119% sure but it's sorta kinda out of my primary but is a game changer? You start over thinking this stuff and before you know it you're in the locker room at halftime getting dirty looks from your partners.

Blow a call? Move on. It happens, just don't let it happen again.

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