njdevs00cup Is a fake jump turn (provided the pitcher steps to first w/ the non-pivot foot and disengages) a legal move? FED
SanDiegoSteve njdevs00cup wroteIs a fake jump turn (provided the pitcher steps to first w/ the non-pivot foot and disengages) a legal move? FED No. A jump turn is not considered disengaging. To disengage, the pitcher must first step back off the rubber with his pivot foot. On a jump turn, his pivot foot merely comes off the rubber as a result of the jump, not as an intentional disengagement. Balk.
lawump No, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk.
[deleted] lawump wroteNo, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk. ....in ALL rule books!
lawump rei wrote....in ALL rule books! I assumed...but didn't want to state it...since we all know what can happen when you assume!
mbyron lawump wroteNo, but I can give you the OBR ruling. A runner who makes a jump pivot is considered "in contact" with the rubber...so it would be a balk. Ahem. 😮 Once that little matter is cleared up, I agree: jump turn + feint to 1B is a balk in all codes, since all codes require disengaging before a feint to 1B, and a jump turn is not disengaging.
RPatrino Here's a funny one! I had a F1 start his jump turn to first but in the process fumbled the ball getting it out of his glove and he caught it himself! Balk!
njdevs00cup SanDiegoSteve wroteNo. A jump turn is not considered disengaging. To disengage, the pitcher must first step back off the rubber with his pivot foot. On a jump turn, his pivot foot merely comes off the rubber as a result of the jump, not as an intentional disengagement. Balk. Is the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns?
papablue njdevs00cup wroteIs the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns? Since F1 is still considered "in contact" on a jump turn, then one base. John
UMP25 One base, because he is considered to be in contact with the rubber when the jump turn commences.
FTVMartin njdevs00cup wroteIs the base award for throwing the ball into deadball territory one base or two when the pitcher jump turns? One base, he is still in contact with the rubber. 2 if he disengages.
soundedlikeastrike FTVMartin wroteOne base, he is still in contact with the rubber. 2 if he disengages. Balk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two. Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes. Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two.
socalblue1 soundedlikeastrike wroteBalk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two. Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes. Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two. Uh, nope. Unless F1 delivers a pitch the ball is dead and runners are awarded one base for the balk violation. No way to get a two base award here.
Rich soundedlikeastrike wroteBalk and throw OOP, non FED of course. Could be one, could be two. Can't balk unless your in contact, sometimes. Disengage improperly, balk, then throw, two. If it's two distinct acts -- balk while disengaging, then a throw -- then the ball's dead before it's thrown. It's just about impossible to balk and have a 2-base award on a throw into DBT.