What is the rule?

janes14

Hi,
What is the rule regarding a player who has the ball out of bounds and a player from his own team steps out of bounds as the pass is made in, hence two players are out of bound from the same team on an inbounds pass.

janes14

Is the reason people are viewing, but not responding because I have not been clear?

BktBallRef

Originally posted by janes14
Hi,
What is the rule regarding a player who has the ball out of bounds and a player from his own team steps out of bounds as the pass is made in, hence two players are out of bound from the same team on an inbounds pass.

If a player intentionally goes OOB to gain an advantage, such as running off a screen to get open or gpoing OOB to avoid being fouled late in a game, it would be a technical foul.

If two players both went OOB to make a throw-in and one did not return, it would be a violation.

PS - Are you from Maine?

mick

Originally posted by janes14
Is the reason people are viewing, but not responding because I have not been clear?

janes14,
Perhaps the viewers are not sure of the call. Perhaps the viewers are not sure of the activity. Perhaps some of the viewers are assistant coaches.

Are you asking: If a teammate of the thrower steps OOB after the Spot throw-in is released, is that a violation?

This probably would not be called.

Are you asking: If a teammate of the thrower steps OOB before the Spot throw-in is released, is that a violation?

This should be called.

Are you asking: If a teammate of the thrower steps OOB before/during/after the Endline throw-in is released, is that a violation?

This should not be called.

mick

Marty Rogers

My first post:

Passing the ball (on a throw-in) to a teammate who is also out of bounds is legal only after a made basket or made free throw. If the team can run the endline, then this passing out of bounds is legal.(NFHS Rule 7 Sec 5 Art 7) However, it is a violation if not inbounded within 5 seconds, as with any throw-in.

If the thrown-in is from a spot, then this passing out of bounds would be a violation (as if he had moved from his designated spot).

Hope this explains it adequately.

Marty Rogers

My Second Post:

Oops. After re-reading your initial question, I think I have answered to a different situation. Sorry about that.

Paul LeBoutillier

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by janes14
If a player intentionally goes OOB to gain an advantage, such as running off a screen to get open or gpoing OOB to avoid being fouled late in a game, it would be a technical foul.

I was kind of interested by the wording here. Perhaps you're citing the Case Book, but in the rule book under Player Technical there is nothing about leaving the court being intentional NOR to gain an advantage.

I had two situations with this coming up this season. One time a kid ran out of bounds at the baseline to avoid defensive players in the key. We banged him with a T.

I also had a game where a kid (defender) came up behind the dribbler and made a wild swipe hoping to dislodge the ball (made no contact) but lost control and ran OUT OF BOUNDS up the court for about 4 or 5 steps before coming back inbounds. I don't think he intentionally left the court, nor did his leaving create an advantage, however, as I said earlier, the rules don't really place those elemenets as a necessary condition. Thoughts??

mick

Originally posted by Paul LeBoutillier

I was kind of interested by the wording here. Perhaps you're citing the Case Book, but in the rule book under Player Technical there is nothing about leaving the court being intentional NOR to gain an advantage.

I had two situations with this coming up this season. One time a kid ran out of bounds at the baseline to avoid defensive players in the key. We banged him with a T.

I also had a game where a kid (defender) came up behind the dribbler and made a wild swipe hoping to dislodge the ball (made no contact) but lost control and ran OUT OF BOUNDS up the court for about 4 or 5 steps before coming back inbounds. I don't think he intentionally left the court, nor did his leaving create an advantage, however, as I said earlier, the rules don't really place those elemenets as a necessary condition. Thoughts??

Paul,
The cases cited for a T for leaving the court:

Sitch A: Stepping out to get the 3-second count stopped
Sitch B: Going or staying OOB to make use of a screen (this seems to be your case that you cited above)
Sitch C: A player remained at the bench during a time-out and then returned.

These three situations all seem to show an implied intent by the player to "leave the court".

I agree that intent has to be present.
We aren't gonna T a player for diving OOB to save a ball are we? I guess we have to judge which is greater... intent or momentum. If momentum is the cause, I cannot call a technical foul.
mick

Danvrapp

Originally posted by mick
Sitch A: Stepping out to get the 3-second count stopped

These three situations all seem to show an implied intent by the player to "leave the court".

mick

Preventitive officiating - would you call the T or call the violation (3 seconds) and issue a "gentle" reminder to the player not to do it again.

My guess is, 9 out of 10 players don't even know this is a T, and correspondingly 10 out of 10 coaches would raise holy heck if you called it - but maybe that's where the fun lies 😀

janes14

Hi I just want to thank-you for giving me some possible answers. BBALLREF, yes I am from Maine 🙂
Mick, I do belong to another forum, but I did not ask the question on that forum nor did I respond as I did not understand the ruling. However I do appreciate getting the "official" information 🙂

BktBallRef

A fellow fan or your team asked about this play on the McGriff board. I'm sure that's what mick was referring to.

mick

Originally posted by BktBallRef
A fellow fan or your team asked about this play on the McGriff board. I'm sure that's what mick was referring to.

I'm sure yer right.

mick

Originally posted by Danvrapp

Originally posted by mick
Sitch A: Stepping out to get the 3-second count stopped

These three situations all seem to show an implied intent by the player to "leave the court".

mick

Preventitive officiating - would you call the T or call the violation (3 seconds) and issue a "gentle" reminder to the player not to do it again.

My guess is, 9 out of 10 players don't even know this is a T, and correspondingly 10 out of 10 coaches would raise holy heck if you called it - but maybe that's where the fun lies 😀

Who?
Me?
No T.