"pet-peeve"

rockyroad

RichMSN wrote
I don't know, Juulie, what deecee wrote that isn't true:

(1) Games ARE slower
(2) Games ARE less physical
(3) It's just his opinion
(4) Officials run much harder in a typical boys game

Which of these do you disagree with? How much boys varsity do you actually work?

Games are less physical?? Are you kidding? I would submit that you are missing a whole lot of crap going on in your girl's games if you really believe that...

Boy's games are faster (usually) and require more running, but they are also much easier to call - the fouls require very little judgement/thinking. Most female games require a whole lot more judgement, working to get better angles to see the play better, etc...

Rich

rockyroad wrote
Games are less physical?? Are you kidding? I would submit that you are missing a whole lot of crap going on in your girl's games if you really believe that...

Boy's games are faster (usually) and require more running, but they are also much easier to call - the fouls require very little judgement/thinking. Most female games require a whole lot more judgement, working to get better angles to see the play better, etc...

Legal physical play is what I was talking about.

And I would submit that your second paragraph is not accurate, at least not in my experience. Boys can work through contact and that makes the advantage/disadvantage decision harder. Girls: Bump, down, foul. Anyone can call those.

That said, a good girls game played by two top teams is a treat. The 91-19 game is not a treat (and it's almost never that the boys games are blowouts to this degree).

canuckref

Short list of peeves:

Partners who do not communicate/make eye contact with you.

Players who do not pick up the ball.

Scorekeepers who don't care or are sloppy.

Dirty floors.

Know it all fans, who don't know basketball from jai-lai

Meek whistles

Coaches

Raymond

Pet peeve?

Folks who think that all ref's should have the same on-court personality.

In a tight gym with fans right on top of the court you best believe I will have a few short (very short) verbal interactions with fans especially during a full time-out when I'm the officials holding down the throw-in spot.

rainmaker

RichMSN wrote
I don't know, Juulie, what deecee wrote that isn't true:

(1) Games ARE slower
(2) Games ARE less physical
(3) It's just his opinion
(4) Officials run much harder in a typical boys game

Which of these do you disagree with? How much boys varsity do you actually work?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of it, except that it's his opinion. I just said that we've had this argument repeatedly over the years, and it's passe. The current, trendy topic is pet peeves, which kim expressed.

How much boys' varsity I work is completely irrelevant to any of it.

Rich

rainmaker wrote
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of it, except that it's his opinion. I just said that we've had this argument repeatedly over the years, and it's passe. The current, trendy topic is pet peeves, which kim expressed.

How much boys' varsity I work is completely irrelevant to any of it.

I agree. Arguing this is passe.

I love working girls games when they are competitive. No different than boys games, in that respect.

Refneck

Mine:

#1 by far - When my partner in the lead comes out with a foul on a drive that's coming from my primary and gets it wrong. Especially when it's a bang-bang block/charge and I'm coming in selling it hard. I always cover this in pre-game, even when I am not the R.

#2 - Partners that put the ball on the floor after a timeout and start a count. I know some of you robots out there will do this, but it's very bush league IMO. I feel it makes us look like we think we are above the game.

#3 - Partners that work too high in the slot. Having two trails is not why we have three-man crews. Get your a$$ free throw line extended or below. Especially when we all have the same interpreter who teaches "when in doubt, go low".

Raymond

Refneck wrote
Mine:

#2 - Partners that put the ball on the floor after a timeout and start a count. I know some of you robots out there will do this, but it's very bush league IMO. I feel it makes us look like we think we are above the game.

Sooooo, when a team is consistently slow and late coming out of times-out what is it you think the robots should do instead?

ps: also a pet peeve--"Partners that put the ball..."; should be "Partners who put the ball..."

Jurassic Referee

Refneck wrote
Mine:

#2 - Partners that put the ball on the floor after a timeout and start a count. I know some of you robots out there will do this, but it's very bush league IMO. I feel it makes us look like we think we are above the game.

Hmmmmmm....interesting.

One of my pet peeves happens to be partners who don't have the ....um....testicular fortitude to use the resuming play procedure because they're afraid that a coach might say something nasty to them. They'll do anything to avoid any kind of confrontation, including practically begging coaches to come out of their huddle. Their favorite excuse is that it's "good game management" ("bush league" works too😉 ). Jmo, but I think those kind of officials are in the wrong avocation.

Back In The Saddle

Refneck wrote
Mine:

#1 by far - When my partner in the lead comes out with a foul on a drive that's coming from my primary and gets it wrong. Especially when it's a bang-bang block/charge and I'm coming in selling it hard. I always cover this in pre-game, even when I am not the R.

#2 - Partners that put the ball on the floor after a timeout and start a count. I know some of you robots out there will do this, but it's very bush league IMO. I feel it makes us look like we think we are above the game.

#3 - Partners that work too high in the slot. Having two trails is not why we have three-man crews. Get your a$$ free throw line extended or below. Especially when we all have the same interpreter who teaches "when in doubt, go low".

Actually, the instruction I've been getting the past couple of years is to go high as C. You get a different look than going low, and I have found that it's more often a better look. Also, if the ball is on your side, and moving toward the bucket, the L should be on his way over, and you're going to be heading back to T anyway.

In fact, I like the look I get by going high so much that I use it almost exclusively when at T in 2 man, where I used to go low.

JMO

Big2Cat

Refneck wrote
Mine:

#2 - Partners that put the ball on the floor after a timeout and start a count. I know some of you robots out there will do this, but it's very bush league IMO. I feel it makes us look like we think we are above the game.

I have no problem with this if the teams are not getting out of the huddle. I have not done it in awhile, but when I do the whole gym knows that I have made it clear to the teams that they are stalling. If I see any girl hustling to the spot, I will wait.

But, I think you are referring to the people that hear the 2nd horn and immediately place it down.

LDUB

kmw wrote
Working a Girls contest and having my partner tell me that they only reason they are working the girls side is cuz there is no boys games going on. OR hearing an official say that they are going to scale back their season next year for health reasons and just do Girls.... MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM...:mad:

Just tell him instead of looking at the bad side of working a girls' game to look at the good side, such as the foxy female coaches.

Rich

LDUB wrote
Just tell him instead of looking at the bad side of working a girls' game to look at the good side, such as the foxy female coaches.

I'll never forget the time I was working with someone who felt the need to schmooze everyone. I had never met him and was already looking to getting away from him as soon as the game was over.

He walked up to the female head coach of the visiting team and wished her a Happy Valentine's Day (it was February 14). Picture a woman that looked quite a bit like Jabba the Hut grunting at my partner and turning her back to him without shaking his hand.

Great start, I ended up whacking her before the end of the first quarter.

Rita C

Bearfanmike20 wrote
Wait .... wait... They have those?? (attractive female officials)....:confused: :eek:

Mark has said Juulie is. I like to think I am.

Did a men's rec game the other night. Two undefeated teams. TWO female officials out of three. One young enough to flirt with, the other old enough to be their mother.

Just good basketball, not a bit of trouble. They were quite well behaved.

It was fun.

Rita

rainmaker

Rita C wrote
Mark has said Juulie is. I like to think I am.

Mark has a beautiful wife, and is blind to anyone else's true beauty or lack thereof. His judgment of my attractions is quite grossly mis-placed. You'll notice that everytime I say this no one here who knows me argues. That's because I'm right, and Mark's not.

There are, however, other attractive female refs. Personally, I prefer being unattractive. It keeps anyone from wondering if I'd be interested in them. I know they're only working me to get the calls.

tomegun

Refneck wrote
#3 - Partners that work too high in the slot. Having two trails is not why we have three-man crews. Get your a$$ free throw line extended or below. Especially when we all have the same interpreter who teaches "when in doubt, go low".

I think you should get a better understanding of angles. Going high or low shouldn't be your priority, getting open angles should be. Getting open angles means moving in the correct direction. When a play is going to the hoop, going high is often the best direction to go in. Going low will get you straight-lined more than going high. But you can do what you want.

My pet peeve is an environment without open, honest conversations. I have been told point blank what I was doing wrong and I like it because there is no BS involved. I don't think that is the case as much anymore.

Mark Padgett

Rita C wrote
Did a men's rec game the other night. Two undefeated teams. TWO female officials out of three. One young enough to flirt with, the other old enough to be their mother.

Which one were you? 😛

26 Year Gap

Mark Padgett wrote
Which one were you? :p

kmw

rainmaker wrote
Mark has a beautiful wife, and is blind to anyone else's true beauty or lack thereof. His judgment of my attractions is quite grossly mis-placed. You'll notice that everytime I say this no one here who knows me argues. That's because I'm right, and Mark's not.

There are, however, other attractive female refs. Personally, I prefer being unattractive. It keeps anyone from wondering if I'd be interested in them. I know they're only working me to get the calls.

And, all the women on here... lets be honest... we only ref to meet all the attractive male officials.. NOT 😉 ! The secrets out now...How many times I meet a officials wife and they look me over and then they find out that I am happily married.

GEEZ, juulie and Rita C - did we start officiating because we wanted to hang out and meet the worlds most eligible bachelors at a rules/association meeting?🙂 🙂

Refneck

Big2Cat wrote
But, I think you are referring to the people that hear the 2nd horn and immediately place it down.

You are correct, I'm talking about the people that seem to always be on a power trip.

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