PC or nothing?

Adam

cdaref wrote
Geez, no, thats not what I am saying at all. I've read your posts over and over and obviously you know what you are talking about. I'm not questioning you or making personal attacks, for goodness sake. This isnt about being worthy or not worthy. I'm not sure why you have to take it like that. Seems to happen alot on these boards, though. Not sure why.

Sorry, I must have come across a bit more surly than I intended.

Adam

cdaref wrote
The reason I referenced you checking the books is when you said: "4-27 defines the foul, not 10-6-7." I dont think that is correct and I wanted you to check them and then see if that is still your position. 10-6-7 defines the foul and 4-27 is the incidental contact definition which could render contact that would otherwise be a foul to not be a foul.

Its not a personal attack on you. In fact, I'd love to hear your continued analysis of this issue.

My thought on this is that 4-27 makes this, in all likelihood, incidental contact and therefore a no-call. You're not penalizing the guy for his size, since his goal was achieved. Even if A1 doesn't lose the ball or violate (travel, illegal dribble, etc), B1 was successful in stopping A1's drive.

Rich

Jurassic Referee wrote
I think that he's saying that you pass on the plays that aren't fouls. If so, I agree with that.

Rich?

Both you and Juulie are right. I don't post well at 9AM. Hell, I worked a boys varsity game at 10:30AM yesterday and it just felt, I don't know, weird. Especially after working the night before and having, ahem, a few nightcaps afterwards.

cdaref

By the way, it has always amazed me that 4-27 doesnt have a single case play for it in the case book. (and, if I recally correctly, isnt even cited by rule in any of the rule 10 case plays).

Jimgolf

Running into a defender with LGP at full speed is a foul. Just because the player isn't displaced doesn't mean that no advantage has been gained. The player has been able to break the rule against charging. That is a clear advantage. Not to mention that injury may have occurred but that the injury may not immediately be apparent. As someone always says here, "call the obvious."

bob jenkins

Jimgolf wrote
Running into a defender with LGP at full speed is a foul.

How do you know if it's full speed?

What if it's 90% of full speed? 75%? 10%?

Adam

And how many times have you seen a player crash into a defender at "full speed" and the defender isn't displaced? Can't say that I've ever seen it.

cdaref

Full speed or not, the OP's situation was that he "slams" into the defender with LGP. I guess I agree with Jimgolf.

Adam

cdaref wrote
Full speed or not, the OP's situation was that he "slams" into the defender with LGP. I guess I agree with Jimgolf.

I've seen kids drive the lane and slam into the defender, and unless he's coming from half court building speed, this "slam" isn't normally that hard. Usually, it looks a lot worse for A1 because of the complete and sudden stop.

I'll reiterate. If the kid comes in like a cannon ball, call the foul. If the defender gets hit that hard, though, there's going to be some displacement.

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