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Dakota wrote
You're arguing against something I didn't say.

The rules are written with the expectation of a fence being present. They are silent on how to deal with an unfenced field.

What about a collapsed fence that is "cleared" in flight. Is that a HR?

A collapsed fence should be covered in ground rules, just like the collapsed scoreboard I had once. Don't ask! 🙂 Regardless, I would treat a collapsed fence like a normal fence and if the ball clears in flight, HR.

JPRempe

Dakota wrote
You're arguing against something I didn't say.

The rules are written with the expectation of a fence being present. They are silent on how to deal with an unfenced field.

What about a collapsed fence that is "cleared" in flight. Is that a HR?

I'm not debating you, but the point (or points) of the technicality argument.

No fence, no OTFHR. It's that simple (again, unless some park/ground rules)

Depends entirely on the park/ground rules.

Dakota

JPRempe wrote
I'm not debating you, but the point (or points) of the technicality argument.

No fence, no OTFHR. It's that simple (again, unless some park/ground rules)

Depends entirely on the park/ground rules.

... would treat a collapsed fence like a normal fence and if the ball clears in flight, HR.

I just enjoy discussing the rules at the edges (or fences... 😉 )

So, a temp fence has collapsed and is lying prone on the ground. A fly ball reaches the fence distance just above ground level, but does not actually touch the ground until it is slightly beyond the prone fence. OTFHR?

JPRempe

Dakota wrote
I just enjoy discussing the rules at the edges (or fences... 😉 )

So, a temp fence has collapsed and is lying prone on the ground. A fly ball reaches the fence distance just above ground level, but does not actually touch the ground until it is slightly beyond the prone fence. OTFHR?

They better have some kind of ground rule at that field to cover that, or I'm making something up!

😀

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Dakota wrote
So, a temp fence has collapsed and is lying prone on the ground. A fly ball reaches the fence distance just above ground level, but does not actually touch the ground until it is slightly beyond the prone fence. OTFHR?

I shall humble myself in your presence. I'll give you that one. I was imagining a fence that was partially collapsed at the top, not one that was prone to the ground. What you quoted, I would have covered with a ground rule (or try to put the damn thing back up before the game if I have time!).

Dakota

Ref Ump Welsch wrote
I shall humble myself in your presence....

Well, no need to go THAT far! 😀

Ref Ump Welsch wrote
I was imagining a fence that was partially collapsed at the top, not one that was prone to the ground. What you quoted, I would have covered with a ground rule (or try to put the damn thing back up before the game if I have time!).

This was not entirely hypothetical. In a national tournament (not ASA...) they were using temp fencing. It was a very windy day, and a section of the fence blew over to the infield side. So, the fence was prone to the ground, laying in live ball territory. My partner and I did try to prop it back up, but the wind would just blow it over again. Fortunately, the strong wind in meant a HR over the fence was highly unlikely (read: no possibility!).

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Dakota wrote
My partner and I did try to prop it back up, but the wind would just blow it over again.

That's where you give up, yell "Is there a mason in the house?" and if so, let him/her build a stone wall. 😀

tcblue13

Ref Ump Welsch wrote
So, you're saying it could have hit the pole a foot above the ground and we can declare it a homerun?

Especially if you have in mind the collapsible fences that never stand up correctly anyway.

But, with no fence Two base award

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