Who will replace Froemming?

jimpiano

George Steinbrenner was upset with Bruce Froemming's handling of the "buggy" game in Cleveland. The Yankee boss is quoted in the New Jersey Register:

"The umpire was full of [expletive]," Steinbrenner said of the retiring Froemming. "He won't umpire our games anymore."

So who fills in for Froemming tonight?🙂

jpc2119

Haha well I don't know about tonight, but Froemming's spot for next year has already been filled by the rehiring of Hallion and Hickox. Tough break for Rob Drake who probably would have been next in line.

mbyron

Great, now the trolls are encouraging the sniffers.

jicecone

jpc2119 wrote
Haha well I don't know about tonight, but Froemming's spot for next year has already been filled by the rehiring of Hallion and Hickox. Tough break for Rob Drake who probably would have been next in line.

Based on size alone , it is not surprising that it takes two officials to replace Froemming.

LeeBallanfant

jimpiano wrote
George Steinbrenner was upset with Bruce Froemming's handling of the "buggy" game in Cleveland. The Yankee boss is quoted in the New Jersey Register:

"The umpire was full of [expletive]," Steinbrenner said of the retiring Froemming. "He won't umpire our games anymore."

So who fills in for Froemming tonight?🙂

Either Tim Donaghy who has a lot of experience with "bugs" or Mike Winters who is familiar with the {expletive}

ozzy6900

jicecone wrote
Based on size alone , it is not surprising that it takes two officials to replace Froemming.

That was cruel!

SanDiegoSteve

jicecone wrote
Based on size alone , it is not surprising that it takes two officials to replace Froemming.

Despite his size, Bruce is still one of the quickest umpires out there. He used to win bets in match races against people who perceived him to be slow afoot.

SanDiegoSteve

jimpiano wrote
George Steinbrenner was upset with Bruce Froemming's handling of the "buggy" game in Cleveland. The Yankee boss is quoted in the New Jersey Register:

"The umpire was full of [expletive]," Steinbrenner said of the retiring Froemming. "He won't umpire our games anymore."

So who fills in for Froemming tonight?🙂

What did that idiot Steinbrenner expect of Froemming? The UIC of the game was Laz Diaz and he handled the situation just fine. I suppose King George wants to have all the bugs fired! He sure doesn't dictate who works his games. He can buy a baseball team but not the umpires.🙁

t-rex

Steinbrenner comes close to making me appreciate Jerry Jones. Close, but not quite.

bobbybanaduck

SanDiegoSteve wrote
What did that idiot Steinbrenner expect of Froemming? The UIC of the game was Laz Diaz and he handled the situation just fine. I suppose King George wants to have all the bugs fired! He sure doesn't dictate who works his games. He can buy a baseball team but not the umpires.🙁

steve, you know better than that. the plate umpire in pro ball is not the UIC unless it is a 2 man system. anything other than 2 man and the crew chief is always the UIC.

Lawrence.Dorsey

jpc2119 wrote
Haha well I don't know about tonight, but Froemming's spot for next year has already been filled by the rehiring of Hallion and Hickox. Tough break for Rob Drake who probably would have been next in line.

Hallion and Hickok were re-hired but they did not take Froemming's spot nor is it a lock that they will. I thought based on what I had read when they and Bob Davidson were set to be re-hired that they had a pre-determined order as to "when" they would be officially re-hired. When Terry Craft retired last year, I thought one of the two (Hallion or Hickox) would get his spot. Instead it was Lance Barksdale. Then during the offseason, Hallion and Hickok were officially rehired as part of the WBC/TV mic negotiations. They are considered rovers. Now whether or not they simply slide them onto a crew to fill Froemming's spot, I don't know. I would defer to someone with an inner knowledge of MLB workings.

SanDiegoSteve

bobbybanaduck wrote
steve, you know better than that. the plate umpire in pro ball is not the UIC unless it is a 2 man system. anything other than 2 man and the crew chief is always the UIC.

The crew chief is the UIC for every game? What happened to Rule 9.04(a)? It has always been my understanding the Senior Umpire, or Crew Chief was a separate thing from the UIC, who by rule is the plate umpire.

I did not read that Froemming was named Crew Chief, but I guess it makes sense because he is the senior man, but I've always heard it expressed separately from the actual UIC of the individual game.

GarthB

SanDiegoSteve wrote
Despite his size, Bruce is still one of the quickest umpires out there. He used to win bets in match races against people who perceived him to be slow afoot.

That may have been true a few years ago. It isn't now.

GarthB

SanDiegoSteve wrote
The crew chief is the UIC for every game? What happened to Rule 9.04(a)? It has always been my understanding the Senior Umpire, or Crew Chief was a separate thing from the UIC, who by rule is the plate umpire.

Nope, the crew chief is the UIC in mechanics above two man.

bobbybanaduck

9.04a is one of many outdated rules in the book. also, seniority does not necessarily equal crew chief. tim tschida was the senior man on the crew for the sox/angels series, but was not the chief. you may not read anywhere who the chief is, cuz the general public doesn't care. if it isn't announced, you know who the chief of the playoff crew is by him working the plate in game 1 of the series.

cowbyfan1

Lawrence.Dorsey wrote
Hallion and Hickok were re-hired but they did not take Froemming's spot nor is it a lock that they will. I thought based on what I had read when they and Bob Davidson were set to be re-hired that they had a pre-determined order as to "when" they would be officially re-hired. When Terry Craft retired last year, I thought one of the two (Hallion or Hickox) would get his spot. Instead it was Lance Barksdale. Then during the offseason, Hallion and Hickok were officially rehired as part of the WBC/TV mic negotiations. They are considered rovers. Now whether or not they simply slide them onto a crew to fill Froemming's spot, I don't know. I would defer to someone with an inner knowledge of MLB workings.

Where is Chris Griffin fitting in with all this? Still a year or 2 away?

lawump

Lawrence.Dorsey wrote
Hallion and Hickok were re-hired but they did not take Froemming's spot nor is it a lock that they will. I thought based on what I had read when they and Bob Davidson were set to be re-hired that they had a pre-determined order as to "when" they would be officially re-hired. When Terry Craft retired last year, I thought one of the two (Hallion or Hickox) would get his spot. Instead it was Lance Barksdale. Then during the offseason, Hallion and Hickok were officially rehired as part of the WBC/TV mic negotiations. They are considered rovers. Now whether or not they simply slide them onto a crew to fill Froemming's spot, I don't know. I would defer to someone with an inner knowledge of MLB workings.

According to my close friend (AAA crew chief and MLB reserve), he told me in August that 3 MLBers would have to retire for one AAA guy to be promoted. That is, MLB was planning to drop back down to 68. Of course, things could have changed since we last talked...but that's what he said at the end of August.

mattmets

cowbyfan1 wrote
Where is Chris Griffin fitting in with all this? Still a year or 2 away?

Chris Griffin is in Quahog. I think you mean Chris Griffith.

lawump wrote
According to my close friend (AAA crew chief and MLB reserve), he told me in August that 3 MLBers would have to retire for one AAA guy to be promoted. That is, MLB was planning to drop back down to 68. Of course, things could have changed since we last talked...but that's what he said at the end of August.

Does MLB plan on keeping guys like Guccione/Drake/Hoye around until those jobs open up? These guys have worked a lot of games this year and seem to be pretty much full time MLB reserves, almost like Lance Barksdale was before he was hired.

Publius

GarthB wrote
That may have been true a few years ago. It isn't now.

Yeah. I almost, but didn't, mentioned this at the time a certain play was all over this board. On the play precipitating the Mike Winters incident, Bradley singled to center. Froemming was U2 that game; you get a real good look at him hustling into the infield from his initial CF spot.

A quadriplegic would've been just as quick.

lawump

mattmets wrote
Does MLB plan on keeping guys like Guccione/Drake/Hoye around until those jobs open up? These guys have worked a lot of games this year and seem to be pretty much full time MLB reserves, almost like Lance Barksdale was before he was hired.

I don't know...no one did at the time of our conversation.