ASA SP with stealing

Fozzie

jimpiano wrote
The OP asked for opinions on improvements on mechanics. I think I stated mine as to the need for a more subtle non verbal call to a runner on a dead ball negating an option to steal.

While I misidentified the DEFENSE regarding a ball short of the plate, my question still stands: Why is a called ball short of the plate different than a called ball over the plate as regards stealing?

Okay. In short.

No I don't think there is any need for any rule or mechanics change.

Jeff Merriman

IRISHMAFIA

Fozzie wrote
Okay. In short.

No I don't think there is any need for any rule or mechanics change.

Jeff Merriman

Jeff,

you are correct. The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people, that there is no need for change.

And anyone knows that a ball which hits in front of or on the plate is not safely available to the catcher to continue play, so it is ruled dead.

MD Longhorn

jimpiano wrote
Page 222 in defining dead ball signals leaves it up to the umpire to "come up with a good dead ball signal".

This was the funniest thing you've ever said, Jim ... until I read further and realized you weren't making a pun.

Now it's the stupidest thing you've ever said, and that surpasses some pretty absurd things.

"Come up with a good dead ball signal" does not mean "invent a good dead ball signal". Good grief. It means STAND up and give a very visible Dead Ball Signal ... which all of us use, and most your players know what it looks like.

MD Longhorn

IRISHMAFIA wrote
The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people,

For all but one, Mike.

AtlUmpSteve

Can the batter hit a ball that has bounced in front of or on the plate?

jimpiano wrote
No, the ball is dead.

Wow!! Answered the question, correctly, even, not the usual attempt to act like the question has no point. Still doesn't get it!!

The ball is dead; so, why again would you think the runners should be allowed to steal?

Sure seems simple to me, too.

jimpiano

IRISHMAFIA wrote
Jeff,

you are correct. The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people, that there is no need for change.

And anyone knows that a ball which hits in front of or on the plate is not safely available to the catcher to continue play, so it is ruled dead.

Simple would certainly define ASA signals...Simple and juvenile.

And a ball hitting the plate is a safety problem for stealing?

I swear the answers here by the so-called experts get funnier by the day.

bkbjones

mbcrowder wrote
For all but one, Mike.

It seems your ESP was in fine form!😃

reccer

jimpiano wrote
And a ball hitting the plate is a safety problem for stealing?

Just guessing, because its been 15 years since I played or watched SP, but is the safety issue the catcher reaching for those balls that are landing short with concerns that the batter is also swinging?

IRISHMAFIA

reccer wrote
Just guessing, because its been 15 years since I played or watched SP, but is the safety issue the catcher reaching for those balls that are landing short with concerns that the batter is also swinging?

Haven't seen a SP game for 15 years and you figured it out with no problem.

😮

JPRempe

AtlUmpSteve wrote
Can the batter hit a ball that has bounced in front of or on the plate?

Wow!! Answered the question, correctly, even, not the usual attempt to act like the question has no point. Still doesn't get it!!

The ball is dead; so, why again would you think the runners should be allowed to steal?

Sure seems simple to me, too.

I knew I could get him to answer the question correctly... 😀 😛

jimpiano

JPRempe wrote
I knew I could get him to answer the question correctly... 😀 :p

The question still remains.

The rules on a dead ball were changed to permit stealing.

Why limit the rule change to only balls that cross the plate?

Once the ball either hits the ground or reaches the plate a runner can steal.

Remember the OP asked for thoughts on stealing.

JPRempe

jimpiano wrote
The question still remains.

The rules on a dead ball were changed to permit stealing.

Why limit the rule change to only balls that cross the plate?

Once the ball either hits the ground or reaches the plate a runner can steal.

Remember the OP asked for thoughts on stealing.

I'll make it real simple for you and the OP. Dead ball means everything stops. That's the purpose of the term "dead" in Dead ball...

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