Voluntary Release Play...

tibear

mcrowder wrote
So ... you guys are going to start giving fielders direction about showing you the ball when they are in the middle of trying to initiate another play? Egads, surely not. On one like this, the umpire merely needs to wait.

Obviously, I wait until the play is over before asking for the ball. When I said immediately, I implied immediately after the play is over. If F4 jumps up and then throws the ball somewhere else, I don't need to ask for the ball now do I??

You ask for the ball when the play has ended and you're not sure where the ball is.

mcrowder

tibear wrote
Obviously, I wait until the play is over before asking for the ball. When I said immediately, I implied immediately after the play is over. If F4 jumps up and then throws the ball somewhere else, I don't need to ask for the ball now do I??

You ask for the ball when the play has ended and you're not sure where the ball is.

So what in the world does this have to do with the OP then?

tibear

mcrowder wrote
So what in the world does this have to do with the OP then?

With respect to asking to see the ball, I was responding to another post.

In the OP, I think everyone agrees that you need to wait a couple of seconds to verify where the ball is and since the umpire SAW the ball rolling on the ground this was an easy call.

RPatrino

DG wrote
You can move 2-3 steps toward 1B on a pickoff? D*mn the pickoff moves are slow in your area...

They aren't big steps!!! Don't you try to gain a little ground on pick-offs? Once you read the F1's move toward first you can get at least one good step toward the 45 foot line to get a better angle to 1st.

gotblue?

With the play described in the OP, i.e., a tag being made at 2B and a subsequent attempt to throw home to retire R3, I would be looking, to an extent, to see if the fielder that applied the tag was looking more like he was actually making the throw home (ball lost on transfer), or if he started coming up to throw and then went back for the ball (ball lost on the tag). This motion is something that you can read even if the fielder has blocked your exact view of the baseball. It is not the only evidence I would consider, but it is a piece of the equation.

fitump56

David B wrote
He did have a view of the play - he just didn't see the ball - if the fielder dropped in transfer how could the coach see that anyway - he's 100 feet away.

OK, one last tims, specifically quoting the OP who himslef has said this 3X in this thread.

"The problem wasn't timing, my problem was literally not seeing the play. It wasn't that I had my mind made up before I had processed it all, its that my eyes were literally incapable of seeing part of the play."

Ignore the coach and make the call.

Never said you should be concerned about the coach just no view = ask partner.

fitump56

Originally Posted by fitump56
Originally Posted by fitump56
No view = ask partner.

He clearly said he had "no view" of the play.

No view = ask partner. I don't see why not.

mcrowder wrote
Because your partner has a job to do on this play, and it's not to provide backup to you ... it's to watch the base-touch on the other runner and prepare for a possible play there.

What if he wasn't doing that? Are you willing to get a call wrong because you don't want to at least attempt to get your partner's input?

If partner saw anything he could add to your call, then he wasn't doing his job. Don't know about you, but I make the assumption that my partner is doing his job.

I make no assumptions whatsoever and the fact he may have other responsibilities does not mean he couldn't have looked my way.

Bringing this one to him is frankly an insult to his abilities, and puts doubt into everyone else's minds about YOUR abilities. Stick with the call on this one.

BS, take your ego and partner's and leave then at the gate to the field. The insult is in not doing so.

TussAgee11

Thanks fitump, for telling what I did was wrong by not going to my partner on this play. If mcrowder's opinion didn't mean enough to me (which it does), your opinion opposite of his does double, which means I not only did correct once, but twice.

-Tuss

fitump56

TussAgee11 wrote
Thanks fitump, for telling what I did was wrong by not going to my partner on this play. If mcrowder's opinion didn't mean enough to me (which it does), your opinion opposite of his does double, which means I not only did correct once, but twice.

-Tuss

Not sure what all that above means except to say that many posters were repeatedly attempting to claim that you had a view. You repeatedly claimed you didn't. Them's the facts, Jacts.

Wrong not going to your partner? That's up to you. For me? no view = ask partner.

Don Mueller

PeteBooth wrote
In a 2 person system we cannot be everywhere but in the future, try experimenting with the "C" position. I know this all depends upon the protocol that is followed in one's area but from my experience, you get a much better look on plays such as yours and in addition steal attempts as well. You are less prone to get 'blocked out" by a fielder.

I think B is much better in this situation.
In B F6 is facing you, ball is between you and f6.
In C f6 can easily get body betwwen you and ball. In fact a good f6 will block you out if the throw is going to beat r1.
In the OP f6 would have staightened up after the tag, turned inside toward home preparing to throw. That turn to the inside would be a perfect view from b. If F6 had the ball at that point Tuss would have very easily seen the voluntary release.
The only issue on this play is timing not positioning.

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