And One!!

fullor30

This harmless phrase has become nails on a chalkboard to me.

I'm tempted in pregame to tell 'em mention 'and one' and you get banged.

JugglingReferee

Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call that, imo, has a huge impact on the game: points for a successful FT.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

kgeorge0263

I also dislike the phrase "and 1', but it is common for coaches and players to pick up the popular saying. From the officials view...have a patient whistle and if the players can play through some contact, just call that way on the other end and if you have to come in with a late whistle...then do so!

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-KG

Mark Padgett

That's an automatic stop sign and "I don't want to hear that again, coach."

cmckenna

Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears? 😀

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

fullor30

cmckenna wrote
Why concern yourself with a coach telling you what brand of sneakers he wears? 😀

When they yell And 1, yell back Reebok. That'll keep 'em thinking

Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

Mwanr1

fullor30 wrote
Perfect!!!..............I can't wait to use that!

Only answer the questions, not statement

Old School

fullor30 wrote
This harmless phrase has become nails on a chalkboard to me.

I'm tempted in pregame to tell 'em mention 'and one' and you get banged.

But you nailed it, it's harmless. Players say this to one another in pickup games. Really got nothing to do with the ref's. I say it's just another part of the game. In fact, it only becomes a big deal if YOU make it a big deal.

With that being said, if someone And-1 me and then proceeds to tell me how he got foul, show me where he got, etc. That's a different story. Learn to recognize the difference and penalize as such you see fit. If they and-1 me AND then take they azz on down the court, got no problem with that.

Old School

JugglingReferee wrote
Interesting.

This phrase is most often used to voice an opinion that the official missed a call

Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

In a way, the phrase is challenging the compentency of the official. Surely this approach by coaches/players needs to be dealt with.

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because it sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Adam

Old School wrote
Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Old School wrote
Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because is sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

Mwanr1

I agree with Old School. The term, "And 1" is often said not only to the refs, but also to the player who fouls the scorer. Saying "And 1" and "ref, I was fouled on the shot" is the same - they just wanted the foul call. Usually after saying "And 1," the players who said it is over the no-call. Basketball is an emotional sport - if you take it to the heart, you are over-doing your officiating.

I don't think anyone would bang a player for saying, " I was foul". So why would you do so if a player says, "And 1"?

Old School

Snaqwells wrote
Players think officials don't call every foul we see. Officials know officials don't call a foul every time there's contact. There's a difference, and real officials know what it is.

Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

Adam

Old School wrote
If you do it again, I'm going to give you a T works very well for me. You're right, to hell with a warning, just tell them don't do it again. I always like resolving an issue without enforcing a Technical, but that's just me.

I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

Mwanr1

Snaqwells wrote
Yet more bad advice, only because there are times when you have to T without a warning. Oh, and also because there's nothing in the rules that tells you to give "warnings" for anything but specific delay of game infractions.

How so? If you can talk him/her out of a foul, you should do so! I'm not saying you should warn a player throughout the game, but if you can save them a foul and keep the game flowing, then why not? There are times to call T to deescalate a situation; there are also time you don't want to be too good with your whistle.

Old School

Snaqwells wrote
I'm not saying not to give little warnings when appropriate. I'm saying not to instruct other officials to withhold the T until they've given a warning. There are times to warn, and there are times to go straight to the T.

But we where talking about an AND-1. So lighten up....

Adam

Old School wrote
But we where talking about an AND-1. So lighten up....

Yup, and I can certainly see situations where this might warrant a T. Like it or not, it means the same thing as yelling "He got fouled and the ref missed it." I'm fine with that coming from the fans, and I'll let a few go from coaches and players, normally.

Old School

Snaqwells wrote
Yup, and I can certainly see situations where this might warrant a T. Like it or not, it means the same thing as yelling "He got fouled and the ref missed it." I'm fine with that coming from the fans, and I'll let a few go from coaches and players, normally.

That is not the same to me, and if that was directed right at me. Coach is not going to like my response. I might even do one of your overreaction moves and bypass the warning. 😀

fullor30

Old School wrote
Disagree. It's more often used to signify a great play, and it would be nice if the referee put his signature on it with a call. Players know officials don't call every foul they see.

Please! No it's not! The phrase is challenging you because it sure as sh!t don't bother me. We don't need to legislate every single little thing that happens on the court. If somebody's doing something on the court that you don't like, tell them not to do it again, (it works) but please give them a warning before T'ing.

Au contraire...........when directed at me, it implies I blew a call. I have no idea why you think it signifies a great play. It merely implies a foul on a made basket

blindzebra

fullor30 wrote
Au contraire...........when directed at me, it implies I blew a call. I have no idea why you think it signifies a great play. It merely implies a foul on a made basket

Unfortunately it has become a common thing to say on any basket, contact or not, hell even defender or not. It's become part of the basketball culture.

It's an irritant not unlike when they start yelling, ball, ball, ball or dead, dead, dead.

Mark Padgett

Mwanr1 wrote
I agree with Old School.

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