Injury rule quesion?

LIIRISHMAN

I had a 16u girls FP game with something I have not had to address yet as a umpire.There was a trainwreck in the 6th inning at 1st base between the BR and 1st baseman,BR was ruled safe.The BR was crying and was shaken up and was taking back to the dugout.There was a delay of several minutes while they tended to the player.The Coach informs me he had no subs and I told him that he would have to take a out.(he's up 8 runs at this point).I informed the Official scorer of the out and I'm ready to start play when the injured player tells the coach she wants to go back in to play. Coach asks me and I let her go back to 1st base. Now the coach of the defense is out to argue that the girl was declared out and should be ineligible.My reading of the injury rule is that she can come back at any time. Since no pitch was thrown I rescined the out and let her go to 1st base.Was I right? Also if play had resumed and a play had occured could that player re-enter and the out be rescinded. I looked through the book without finding if this would be allowed.

Steve M

Who's rules are you using?
Once we go shorthanded due to injury and play has resumed, I'm not rescinding any outs. You played shorthanded for a time period (how long does not matter) and the player who left due to injury needed to make an appearance on offense - you got an out. If play has not resumed, then the out has not officially been recorded and you never went shorthanded - so there's nothing to rescind.

NCASAUmp

I personally would have held off on the out call until the coach said for certain, "she's coming out." At that point, once I call the out, she's out. The coach is responsible for his/her players and their well-being, and he/she alone should make the assessment if we're dealing with minors.

However, if at a later point in the game, she and the coach decide that she's well enough to play, let her back in.

Although, I have one question, since I don't have the rule book in front of me... Would this count as "re-entering" the game? She wasn't subbed out, but she is, by all literal accounts, "re-entering."

Steve M

"Although, I have one question, since I don't have the rule book in front of me... Would this count as "re-entering" the game? She wasn't subbed out, but she is, by all literal accounts, "re-entering.""

Yes, she has left the game and is using her re-entry to come back in.

LIIRISHMAN

Steve M wrote
Who's rules are you using?
Once we go shorthanded due to injury and play has resumed, I'm not rescinding any outs. You played shorthanded for a time period (how long does not matter) and the player who left due to injury needed to make an appearance on offense - you got an out. If play has not resumed, then the out has not officially been recorded and you never went shorthanded - so there's nothing to rescind.

We were using USSSA rules. I also had told the coach that if we had resumed play I also would had let the out stand.

IRISHMAFIA

NCASAUmp wrote
I personally would have held off on the out call until the coach said for certain, "she's coming out." At that point, once I call the out, she's out. The coach is responsible for his/her players and their well-being, and he/she alone should make the assessment if we're dealing with minors.

However, if at a later point in the game, she and the coach decide that she's well enough to play, let her back in.

Although, I have one question, since I don't have the rule book in front of me... Would this count as "re-entering" the game? She wasn't subbed out, but she is, by all literal accounts, "re-entering."

Speaking ASA,

No, no, no, no. Once a player leaves the game and causes a team to play under the shorthanded rule, the player may NOT return to play in that game.

The only exception would be if she couldn't continue due to the blood rule. However, if that were the case, it doubt there would have been the discussion about going shorthanded.

I believe, too, that the coach is responsible for his/her decisions. If the player had an injury serious enough to remove her from the game, it would be prudent for the coach to just accept the shorthanded rule and continue the game.

Unless there is a doctor available to clear the player, I would have taken a more cautious path regardless of what the player says. If an injury is compounded by the player continuing to play or passes out at any time afterward, that coach better have a great lawyer as the adult responsible for putting her back out on the field.

Steve M

See that, I even asked what rules we were using. I put down Fed's position instead of ASA's.

CecilOne

LIIRISHMAN wrote
...snip... The Coach informs me he had no subs and I told him that he would have to take a out ...snip...).I informed the Official scorer of the out and I'm ready to start play when the injured player tells the coach she wants to go back in to play. ...snip....

This is the part that matters. Saying you were "ready to start play" implies the runner had left the game and the out was officially recorded; so that player was gone. Once that happens, the shorthanded status existed and the player can not return, any rule set.
This is like any officially recorded out, score, lineup change, etc.; once officially recorded it can't be undone (unless there was a mistake).