BktBallRef MJT wroteThere was to a call. The call was made on the reach, and then the shirt grab came. It was the correct call, cuz he called it on the reach. If he did not call the reach and the only shirt grab, then you'd have an intentional foul. MJT, calling a foul a "reach" is the equivalent to calling "offsides" in NFHS football. It's just not done by knowledgable officials. 😉
MJT Neither is "raking across the arm" but we all know what is meant by it. 😀 I'd say I am a knowledgable official who used "common terminology" instead of "official terminology." 😉
26 Year Gap I have noticed a lot of what I would call 'extreme boxing out' on FTs. The inside guy actually turns and pushes with both arms. I have seen it with several teams in the past couple of days.
johnnyrao jontheref wrote But I dont have a problem with the simple foul. Still if the guy sinks two free throws, the three pointer doesnt mean annthing. While it is true that he missed the free throw, as well as Xavier losing a 9 point lead with three minutes to go, I don't think this excuses what appeared to be a fairly obvious intentional foul.
BktBallRef MJT wroteNeither is "raking across the arm" but we all know what is meant by it. 😀 I'd say I am a knowledgable official who used "common terminology" instead of "official terminology." 😉 MJT wroteNeither is "raking across the arm" but we all know what is meant by it. 😀 I'd say I am a knowledgable official who used "common terminology" instead of "official terminology." 😉 That's great when you're on a coaching forum but this ain't a coaching forum. It is NOT a foul to reach. I'd say you're basketball coach who should give basketball rules the same respect that you give football rules when you post as a football official. There's ZERO difference.
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Oden's foul was an intentional foul no matter at what level the game was and no matter at what time of the game it happened. I am really disappointed that an intentional foul was not called and I am a Buckeye fan. MTD, Sr.
WhistlesAndStripes Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wroteOden's foul was an intentional foul no matter at what level the game was and no matter at what time of the game it happened. I am really disappointed that an intentional foul was not called and I am a Buckeye fan. MTD, Sr. THe go cry somewhere else fanboy. 😀
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Whistles & Stripes wroteTHe go cry somewhere else fanboy. 😃 Who said I was crying, just because I was rooting for OSU doesn't mean I don't want the game officiated correctly. It was an ugly foul and made OSU look bad. MTD, Sr.
JugglingReferee Looking at the foul again in the sports highlights, and heading the panel on ESPN's Reporters, I think it should have been called an INT. I believe that this culture of it not being an INT is not in the best interest of the game.
tomegun I have noticed a slant towards what should happen instead of what does happen. I have also noticed plenty of over-officiating at times. For instance, Pat Driscoll (I think that is his name) is the Jim Carey of officiating. Waiving off literally nothing after he calls a foul. He would just wave something off when there wasn't a shot and his leg would come off the ground like.....😃 In the Ohio State game in particular, there was a couple of times where a play was right in front of Les Jones (at the L) and a whistle would come from somewhere else. Forget about getting a call right, I know he was wondering what was going on.
Larks "I just look at that foul as, they’re going to call bull crap fouls," Oden said. "I might as well get one that’s hard."
Mark Dexter Larks wrotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn6CyCuFkgw Video of the push Intentional foul - no question now.
DC_Ref12 I think the mere fact that Oden himself said it was intentional is enough for me. So...is it still "you just don't call that"? He kicked it, plain and simple.
wvref1 I only work football, not basketball, but what I loved was the comment by one of the studio announcers that he was going for the ball. What, with his forearms and elbows?
mplagrow Don't be so quick to judge! Read the YouTube comments. The Ohio State fanboys do a GREAT job of explaining why it wasn't an intentional foul.:rolleyes:
sj Just another aspect of this that I haven't heard anyone say anything about. it might be meaningless but on the youtube video you can see the Lead point his right hand at the play when it looks like Oden contacts the Xaviers players arm after he got the rebound. He raises his right arm but there was no whistle and no left arm raised and then he drops his right hand. Then the push comes and the whistle and foul is called. I guess it's hard to say but it looks like he saw the contact on the rebounder's arm and had a notion to call it but passed. And then the push came. Anybody see it like that or what do you think the first point by L was about? It might be meaningless but I just noticed it and was wondering.
