"Over the back"

Swingandamiss

just had to tell you guys this one. had a varsity coach, who used to be an IAABO official send his captain to me during a timeout to ask me to watch the "over the back". I tell her that there is no such thing. she says, "ok, coach told me to ask," and walks away confused. I explained it to her later.

Nevadaref

Since you knew that the coach was an official, I would have sent her back to her coach with instructions to tell him that you will be observing the over-the-back, but won't be calling any fouls for it. 😛

Swingandamiss

good one, i have to work the boys varsity tourney at the same school this weekend. i'll remember that one.

TRef21

Classic! I find amazing, that the coaches apparently read the rule book and still use terminology that isn't in it. I also like when coaches yell for over the back and then I tell them is no such thing, but there is displacement, they reply back saying I'm and official to.
Great maybe we will get the chance to work together!

dblref

TRef21 wrote
Classic! I find amazing, that the coaches apparently read the rule book and still use terminology that isn't in it. I also like when coaches yell for over the back and then I tell them is no such thing, but there is displacement, they reply back saying I'm and official to.
Great maybe we will get the chance to work together!

When they tell me this, I usually reply back "that's nice, but you aren't the official in this game."

Junker

TRef21 wrote
Classic! I find amazing, that the coaches apparently read the rule book and still use terminology that isn't in it. I also like when coaches yell for over the back and then I tell them is no such thing, but there is displacement, they reply back saying I'm and official to.
Great maybe we will get the chance to work together!

Possibly because there are still officials out there that use the term over the back.

Adam

Junker wrote
Possibly because there are still officials out there that use the term over the back.

I've decided not tell coaches that there's no such thing any more. The main reason, I've worked with officials who call this; officials they respect because they've seen quite a bit. Now, they are calling actual fouls, they're just reporting it as over-the-back.
So, if I were to tell a coach there's no over-the-back and my partner proceeds to call it; I'm the one who loses credibility. Now, my response is simpler. "There was no foul on that play, coach."

JoeTheRef

Snaqwells wrote
I've decided not tell coaches that there's no such thing any more. The main reason, I've worked with officials who call this; officials they respect because they've seen quite a bit. Now, they are calling actual fouls, they're just reporting it as over-the-back.
So, if I were to tell a coach there's no over-the-back and my partner proceeds to call it; I'm the one who loses credibility. Now, my response is simpler. "There was no foul on that play, coach."

I usually show the pushing mechanic and state "on the back" or "on top the back" when I report.

reffish

JoeTheRef,

It is reporting like that that perputuates the myth of over the back. If you show push, call push! It is not on the back or on the top the back.

cmathews

I worked with a guy last weekend at the state tournament that reported it as a rebounding foul...showed the push and said rebouding foul 23 blue...I thought it was pretty good, so I am going to try and incorporate it.

mick

Swingandamiss wrote
just had to tell you guys this one. had a varsity coach, who used to be an IAABO official send his captain to me during a timeout to ask me to watch the "over the back". I tell her that there is no such thing. she says, "ok, coach told me to ask," and walks away confused. I explained it to her later.

So, you confused a player with a sincere question.

For me, I try to be more professional and less sophomoric.

181174

Coaches have a lot of trouble with "over the back" just because a player reaches over or comes around the side and beats the defensive player to the ball doesn't mean he/she was over the back. There has to be contact, they need to push off or '"be on the back" knock them out of the way or something, just reaching over and grabbing the ball without contact is not over the back as the coaches like to say. Getting the correct angle as an official for this call is not always real easy but something I have really tried to work on the past few years of finding the right position or angle to make these calls. The only technical I gave this season was giving to the coach bc I was tired of hearing him whine about the other teams player being over the back. He was just bigger and stronger and quicker to the ball, his team wasn't blocking out correctly to keep him from getting to the ball. This is coach talk that at times can get on your nerves. If the player is pushed in the back or shoved out of the way or is weighed down by the other player being on top of his back yes it will be called most of the time, but just getting beat to the ball is a whole different thing all together.🙂

cmathews

the coach whined as was to be expected...he did make me chuckle though, he said, "we don't box out very often, when we do we need you to protect us" LOL...but it was the classic case of the kid out jumping his kid and getting the ball..

BktBallRef

reffish wrote
JoeTheRef,

It is reporting like that that perputuates the myth of over the back. If you show push, call push! It is not on the back or on the top the back.

Why "call" anything?

Signal pushing and be done with it. There's no need to verbalise anything but the color and number.

BktBallRef

mick wrote
So, you confused a player with a sincere question.

For me, I try to be more professional and less sophomoric.

For me, I don't need a coach/captain to ask me to watch anything.

Asking me to "watch for..." implies that it's happening and I'm not calling it.

No thanks.

mick

BktBallRef wrote
For me, I don't need a coach/captain to ask me to watch anything.

Asking me to "watch for..." implies that it's happening and I'm not calling it.

No thanks.

No reponse at all to that player's statement ?
I'd say something, like "We haven't seen any contact."

jkjenning

BktBallRef wrote
Asking me to "watch for..." implies that it's happening and I'm not calling it.

You can't see everything and having the team captain, or coach, share their view of what might be missed on the floor seems pretty valid. To say "watch for" is different than having them say "why don't you call...".

Junker

mick wrote
No reponse at all to that player's statement ?
I'd say something, like "We haven't seen any contact."

I agree. As long as they are asking in an appropriate manner, they deserve an answer. I've used what Mick said on occasion or more often than not just an "OK" will do.

Scrapper1

Junker wrote
more often than not just an "OK" will do.

I just say "Ok" and then promptly forget all about it.

BktBallRef

Nobody said they didn't deserve an answer.

I'll give an answer but I'm not going to be real concerned with what it is.

Quite honestly, the coach isn't looking for an answer.

I have no problem saying, "There's no such thing."