Coming Back Inbounds

cshs81

A1 is chasing a ball to the sideline. As he's falling out of bounds, he a)catches the ball then flips it back inbounds b)he bats the the ball back inbounds. In both scenarios, he comes back inbounds and picks up the ball(first to touch it).

Any call on either scenario?

cshs81

OK. Maybe I found the answer.

A is a violation due to having control while B is not a violation. Correct?

truerookie

cshs81 wrote
A1 is chasing a ball to the sideline. As he's falling out of bounds, he a)catches the ball then flips it back inbounds b)he bats the the ball back inbounds. In both scenarios, he comes back inbounds and picks up the ball(first to touch it).

Any call on either scenario?

A) legal.

B). legal. If he batted the ball with a close fist it would be a violation.

RushmoreRef

truerookie wrote
A) legal.

B). legal. If he batted the ball with a close fist it would be a violation.

Legal in both and to make a quick point because I had this the other night:

Only needs 1 foot back on the court (the other can't be touching OOB) to be able to retrieve the ball.......and also can go ahead and dribble at that point.

shave-tail

cshs81 wrote
A1 is chasing a ball to the sideline. As he's falling out of bounds, he a)catches the ball then flips it back inbounds

Has A1 lost his dribble in this case?

cshs81

shave-tail wrote
Has A1 lost his dribble in this case?

No. He's chasing an errant pass.

JoeTheRef

cshs81 wrote
No. He's chasing an errant pass.

He can continue to dribble, but he can't pick the ball up and start to dribble. The throw starts the dribble.

cshs81

truerookie wrote
A) legal.

B). legal. If he batted the ball with a close fist it would be a violation.

I would have assumed (BTW I'm not an official) that since the player in Scenario A had control (ie caught the ball with both hands before saving it) that it would be the same as throwing a pass and then being the first player to touch the ball after the pass was made. Not true?

Would it matter if A1 was airborne or not when he saved the ball inbounds?

cshs81

JoeTheRef wrote
He can continue to dribble, but he can't pick the ball up and start to dribble. The throw starts the dribble.

I'm assuming then by your post that that he can pick up the ball but not dribble. Correct?

Mark Padgett

cshs81 wrote
I would have assumed (BTW I'm not an official) that since the player in Scenario A had control (ie caught the ball with both hands before saving it) that it would be the same as throwing a pass and then being the first player to touch the ball after the pass was made. Not true?

Not true. It would be considered a fumble. And yes - that is also a basketball term.

cshs81

Mark Padgett wrote
Not true. It would be considered a fumble. And yes - that is also a basketball term.

My rulebook says a fumble is "the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp."

That doesn't seem to apply here since in Scenario A that the player caught the ball then intentionally dropped/threw the ball inbounds.

JoeTheRef

cshs81 wrote
My rulebook says a fumble is "the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp."

That doesn't seem to apply here since in Scenario A that the player caught the ball then intentionally dropped/threw the ball inbounds.

The toss back to the court (inbounds) is considered to be the start of the dribble. You're correct, this is NOT a fumble.

Camron Rust

cshs81 wrote
I would have assumed (BTW I'm not an official) that since the player in Scenario A had control (ie caught the ball with both hands before saving it) that it would be the same as throwing a pass and then being the first player to touch the ball after the pass was made. Not true?

Would it matter if A1 was airborne or not when he saved the ball inbounds?

It is not a pass since it didn't go to another player. It can only be the start of a dribble (which is interruppted then resumed).

Nevadaref

7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in (a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

cshs81

Camron Rust wrote
It is not a pass since it didn't go to another player. ).

So, if I pass the ball but no one is near the pass I can go retrieve it? Are you sure?

shave-tail

If you have not dribbled yet you can "pass" however it would be concidered a start of a dribble. When you catch up with the dribble you can continue the dribble or catch it then your options are pass or shoot.b

Adam

cshs81 wrote
So, if I pass the ball but no one is near the pass I can go retrieve it? Are you sure?

All that matters is whether you've already used your dribble. If the ball bounces, it's considered a dribble in this case. Therefore, you either have an illegal dribble or nothing.
You can have an illegal dribble if either of the following happen or happened:
1. A1 is dribbling and fumbles the ball after touching it with both hands. He then saves the ball from going OOB by grabbing it and tossing it back onto the court, where he runs to retrieve it after it bounces.
2. A1, who has not been in control of the ball, saves the ball from going OOB by grabbing the ball and tossing it onto the court. He then runs and grabs the ball with both hands and proceeds to begin dribbling.

Nevadaref

shave-tail wrote
If you have not dribbled yet you can "pass" however it would be concidered a start of a dribble. When you catch up with the dribble you can continue the dribble or catch it then your options are pass or shoot.b

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2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

SITUATION 6: A1 jumps from the floor and secures a defensive rebound. A1 then pivots toward the sideline where a teammate, A2, is standing for an outlet pass. Just as A1 releases the pass, A2 turns and runs down the court. A1 throws a soft bounce pass to where A2 was standing. A1 then moves and secures the ball without dribbling. RULING: Legal action. A1 had the pivot foot on the floor and began a dribble by throwing the ball to the floor (the bounce pass); the dribble ended when A1 secured the ball. Upon reaching the ball, A1 also could have continued the dribble. (4-15-3,4)

bobref1

So let me make sure I have this correct. If A1 has ended his dribble and he goes to make a pass to A2, but in the meantime A2 runs away, and A1 goes and recovers the pass this is a violation. Illegal dribble or a travel?

Scenerio 2: A1 still has his dribble and he makes an errant pass and he goes to secure it. May he continue to dribble or can he only recover it? Thanks guys I have learned a lot in a year.

bob jenkins

bobref1 wrote
So let me make sure I have this correct. If A1 has ended his dribble and he goes to make a pass to A2, but in the meantime A2 runs away, and A1 goes and recovers the pass this is a violation. Illegal dribble or a travel?

Illegal (double) dribble.

Scenerio 2: A1 still has his dribble and he makes an errant pass and he goes to secure it. May he continue to dribble or can he only recover it? Thanks guys I have learned a lot in a year.

Try it this way: A1 still has his dribble, and bats / forces / pushes (whatever the wording is) the ball to the ground. May he continue to dribble or can he only recover it? The answers is obvious (I hope) and the play is the same as your scenario 2, so the answer to secnario 2 is also obvious.