Dunk or Illegal Dribble

Adam

Vinski wrote
OK, I’m going to go out on a limb here. But, isn’t “throwing” the ball at your own backboard considered a try? In which case, team control is lost and then when the player catches the ball, he/she is considered to be rebounding the ball.
However, bouncing the ball off the opponent’s basket is considered a dribble. Correct??

Yes.

deecee

so then whats the distinction between a pass hitting the rim and no reset of the shot clock? but as far as rules go yes I am not the most knowledgeable and if i am wrong here which it seems then so be it -- good job JR.

bob jenkins

deecee wrote
so then whats the distinction between a pass hitting the rim and no reset of the shot clock?

As far as I can tell, there's a distinction only because there is. 😉

Adam

deecee wrote
so then whats the distinction between a pass hitting the rim and no reset of the shot clock?

This distinction happens in other aspects as well. When a player shoots an airball, he may retrieve the rebound. Yet, it does not reset the shot clock. Same distinction, same principal, same rules. 🙂

deecee

ok but thats a shot and he can get the airball -- how about in a non shot situation where the ball hits the backboard, rim or nothing? legal?

Adam

Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

KCRef

Snaqwells wrote
Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

But on a freethrow it has to hit the rim to be considered a shot? Otherwise it is a violation? This rim restriction only applies to a freethrow then? (I am really asking. Not trying to be smart.)

Eastshire

KCRef wrote
But on a freethrow it has to hit the rim to be considered a shot? Otherwise it is a violation? This rim restriction only applies to a freethrow then? (I am really asking. Not trying to be smart.)

It's a shot whether it hits the rim or not. If it does not hit the rim, the thrower has committed a free throw violation as the rules requires him to throw it so that it hits the rim.

deecee

Snaqwells wrote
Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

ok so when you KNOW it wasnt a shot attempt and it hits the rim or backboard what do you have? or can a trapped player just launch the ball at the backboard or rim to get around the defense and get the ball unabated? just a question?

Jurassic Referee

deecee wrote
ok so when you KNOW it wasnt a shot attempt and it hits the rim or backboard what do you have? or can a trapped player just launch the ball at the backboard or rim to get around the defense and get the ball unabated? just a question?

It is always a judgment call. And unless you are a mind reader, and personally I'm sureasheck not, you can never be 100% sure that anything thrown off the glass wasn't meant to be a try. It's impossible to KNOW that it's not a shot attempt.

Iow, any doubt, rule it a "try".

deecee

in this instance for the dunk putback you KNOW its not a try -- so in this case what do you have if he doesnt dunk but comes back down to earth with the ball?

just conjecture here JR -- I dont disagree that its legal if its a shot attempt -- i was basing what I said earlier on the fact that its NOT a shot attempt.

lukealex

I remember the pass off the glass then dunking by Traci McGrady a few years back in the all star game. Nothing was called. Yes it is the NBA and nobody cares anyways

Adam

deecee wrote
in this instance for the dunk putback you KNOW its not a try -- so in this case what do you have if he doesnt dunk but comes back down to earth with the ball?

just conjecture here JR -- I dont disagree that its legal if its a shot attempt -- i was basing what I said earlier on the fact that its NOT a shot attempt.

To me, there are two criteria to determine whether it's a try or not for purposes of rebounding eligibility.
1. If I judge his intent is to put the ball through the basket, it's a try.
2. If the ball hits the player's backboard or rim, it's a try.
Both don't need to be met; only one.

deecee

ok so snaq -- by your #2 - what about an alley oop pass that goes awry and no one touches it but it hits the backboard and teh player that passed it recovers?

that covers #2. you are saying thats a try?

cmathews

deecee wrote
ok so snaq -- by your #2 - what about an alley oop pass that goes awry and no one touches it but it hits the backboard and teh player that passed it recovers?

that covers #2. you are saying thats a try?

Don't know about snaq but to me, yep it is a try....and if he can alley oop it and go get it, and the defense doesn't stop him, well then good for him and shame on them....the fed even does this to some extent, if the ball is thrown from outside the 3 pt line and it goes in, it is 3pts...they don't want us trying to determine if little Johnny or Mary is throwing a pass or is just that poor fundamentally that we can't tell...

Smitty

How many different ways can you beat the same horse to death? You clearly want someone to tell you that you should call an illegal dribble. Why is this so important to you? Do you have anything you can use from the rulebook that backs you up to call an illegal dribble for the scenarios you described?

deecee

no I see what they are saying all I was trying to figure out if there was a distintion between shot and pass -- why is it so hard to get a yes or no here -- if its a try I know very well what to call and what not to call -- in fact dont even bother answering because it appears that it should be viewed as a shot attempt if it ever hits the backboard or rim.

Camron Rust

Snaqwells wrote
To me, there are two criteria to determine whether it's a try or not for purposes of rebounding eligibility.
1. If I judge his intent is to put the ball through the basket, it's a try.
2. If the ball hits the player's backboard or rim, it's a try.
Both don't need to be met; only one.

I disagree with #2. There is nothing in the rules that declare it a try just because it hits the rim or backboard. There are some rules that specify some of the same ramifications of a try (a player may dribble again), points are scored if it goes in, etc....but nothing says it is a try.

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