T after 4th Quarter Horn

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by deecee
the shot attempt is over so until the ball hits the floor or goes in the basket or over the backboard, etc.. ball is live and foul on the shooter will be 2 shots in the 4th qtr.

as for the T -- i hope this is not something an official will call as part of the 4th

Why wouldn't they if it was part of the 4th? 😕

If the T was called before the try ended, deecee, then it should be shot as part of the 4th quarter. It was part of the 4th quarter, by rule- i.e. R5-6-3(b) and 5-6-4.

BktBallRef

Originally posted by refTN
decee is right. Anything after the horn for regulation is considered overtime.

Not true. Try this scenario, refTN.

A trails, 1 second left, A1 shoots, gets fouled, horn goes off. Coach B yells that's horse****. T. A1 hits both FTs for the shooting foul to tie the game. Now what?

mplagrow

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by refTN
decee is right. Anything after the horn for regulation is considered overtime.

Not true. Try this scenario, refTN.

A trails, 1 second left, A1 shoots, gets fouled, horn goes off. Coach B yells that's horse****. T. A1 hits both FTs for the shooting foul to tie the game. Now what?

Verbal continuation call? Shoot two more and call it a day if one goes in?

JugglingReferee

JR is right again, both times.

I was trying to to illustrate the point of knowing the status of the ball. He is also correct saying that the T is part of the 4th. The official has no authority to rule it part of OT. (Unless he has really really bad judgment. 😃)

mplagrow: I like that term, the "verbal continuation T." 😉 In BBR's sitch, A would just need to hit 1 T-foul FT to lead the game, and if that one was the first, the 2nd is not even attempted!

BktBallRef

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
In BBR's sitch, A would just need to hit 1 T-foul FT to lead the game, and if that one was the first, the 2nd is not even attempted!

Correct. The game doesn't end just because the horn sounds. Regulation time ends when the horn sounds AND all activity from the 4th qtr. has ended.

lmeadski

In this scenario, the T is assessed in the 4th and the kid goes to the line (if it was clearly post buzzer, the T should be assessed in OT, correct?)? If a player releases a shot before the buzzer, but, gets hit on the way down (still part of his shot) after the horn blows, wouldn't he go to the line as a continuation of his shot (ergo, part of the 4th qtr)?

[Edited by lmeadski on Feb 11th, 2006 at 10:39 AM]

BktBallRef

If the player is fouled, horn sounds, T occurs, then the T is part of the 4th qtr. because the 4th qtr. doesn't end until the last FT is shot. The FTs determine whether we go to OT or not.

Only when the game is tied after all 4th qtr. activity do we have OT.

refTN

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by refTN
decee is right. Anything after the horn for regulation is considered overtime.

Not true. Try this scenario, refTN.

A trails, 1 second left, A1 shoots, gets fouled, horn goes off. Coach B yells that's horse****. T. A1 hits both FTs for the shooting foul to tie the game. Now what?

I am not understanding this that well. When does the coach yell this. The way I think you are saying this is that when A goes to the line that counts as the 4th quearter and hence any T's given before the last free throw are considered part of the 4th. Am I understanding that correctly?

tnroundballref

Had this happen in a game this year....

Team A trails by two points with .3 to go in the game. Team B has ball for a throw in. Team B inbounds the ball right in front of Team A's bench - horn goes off - team B's player (in front of Team A's bench) bounces one to the rafters and say's "what now Bitc**s?"

What do you got ?

BktBallRef

Originally posted by refTN

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by refTN
decee is right. Anything after the horn for regulation is considered overtime.

Not true. Try this scenario, refTN.

A trails, 1 second left, A1 shoots, gets fouled, horn goes off. Coach B yells that's horse****. T. A1 hits both FTs for the shooting foul to tie the game. Now what?

I am not understanding this that well. When does the coach yell this. The way I think you are saying this is that when A goes to the line that counts as the 4th quearter and hence any T's given before the last free throw are considered part of the 4th. Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes, that's correct. The 4th qtr. does not end until all activity from the 4th qtr. ends. The horn does not end the 4th qtr. Onloy after the 4th qtr. ends can we determine if OT is required.

BktBallRef

Originally posted by tnroundballref
Had this happen in a game this year....

Team A trails by two points with .3 to go in the game. Team B has ball for a throw in. Team B inbounds the ball right in front of Team A's bench - horn goes off - team B's player (in front of Team A's bench) bounces one to the rafters and say's "what now Bitc**s?"

What do you got ?

If you call a T on B, then A1 goes to the line to tie the game. If he misses the first or second FT, the game is over. If he hits both, you go to OT. Start the OT with a jump ball.

mplagrow

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by tnroundballref
Had this happen in a game this year....

Team A trails by two points with .3 to go in the game. Team B has ball for a throw in. Team B inbounds the ball right in front of Team A's bench - horn goes off - team B's player (in front of Team A's bench) bounces one to the rafters and say's "what now Bitc**s?"

What do you got ?

If you call a T on B, then A1 goes to the line to tie the game. If he misses the first or second FT, the game is over. If he hits both, you go to OT. Start the OT with a jump ball.

Absolutely. You're still on the floor, you have to make that call.

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