authorized reason

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy
I'm not sure I've seen a "list" of reasons. I do remember the NFHS coming out with a couple of paragraphs explaining why they wanted this called, and the reason for changing this to a violation from a T is because it wasn't being called enough in their opinion. One of the most common unauthorized reasons is to get around a screen along the sideline or baseline. I believe another reason they gave in the rules was a dribbler being considered OOB by stepping on the line, even though they might not actually be touching the ball at the time. The point I believe they were trying to make was the game needs to stay within the confines of the court, and not try to use "technicalities" to expand the playing area. I remember seeing an extreme example of an unauthorized leaving several years ago in a video of a high school game. The gym had a wall behind the baseline, and there were doors on either side, pretty much like most gyms. During a play, A1 goes running down the sideline, crosses the endline, and goes right out the door. Of course, the defense is standing around going "WTF?!" (source: Dan_ref). A few seconds later, A1 comes back in the door by the other sideline, steps inbounds, takes the pass, and scores before the defense figures out what's going on.

Obviously, falling OOB, say by going after a ball going OOB, or being pushed OOB, is not unauthorized. But purposely expanding the general playing area to include OOB areas is unauthorized. Does that make sense?

TRANSLATION: It's a violation for any player to deliberately go OOB to gain an advantage.

Call it that way and you'll never have a problem.

M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
TRANSLATION: It's a violation for any player to deliberately go OOB to gain an advantage.

Call it that way and you'll never have a problem.

Yea - what he said.

Geesh, I can be unbearably long-winded, can't I?

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
TRANSLATION: It's a violation for any player to deliberately go OOB to gain an advantage.

Call it that way and you'll never have a problem.

Yea - what he said.

Geesh, I can be unbearably long-winded, can't I?

Yes.

M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
TRANSLATION: It's a violation for any player to deliberately go OOB to gain an advantage.

Call it that way and you'll never have a problem.

Yea - what he said.

Geesh, I can be unbearably long-winded, can't I?
Yes.

Shut up.

(Damn, that's still twice as many words.)

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
TRANSLATION: It's a violation for any player to deliberately go OOB to gain an advantage.

Call it that way and you'll never have a problem.

Yea - what he said.

Geesh, I can be unbearably long-winded, can't I?
Yes.

Shut up.

(Damn, that's still twice as many words.)

One monkey, 24 seconds.

M&M Guy

Don't call me Cheetah, or I'll tell MTD on you!

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Don't call me Cheetah, or I'll tell MTD on you!

cmathews

Ok guys now the reason for the thread to begin with...Before I type the rest let me say I agree with you guys, the advantage thing and all that. I knew full well what I would call anyway. Player A1 is driving the lane shoots a layup and his momentum takes him out of bounds. This situation was brought to my attention by another official who agrees it shouldn't be called, but until the Federation comes out with something more, it certainly could be by a strict reading of the book. Even throw(devils advocate again here)in the advantage thing, if he can't shoot the layup and remain in bounds maybe he is gaining an advantage....ok fire away LOL 😀

Jimgolf

Leaving the court is permitted when directed by an official (an authority), or due to momentum (This is one of these truths that is self-evident). Leaving the court of your own volition requires an official's approval.

cmathews

Jim,
I understand and I already pointed out that things should be common sense, however, I am looking for more of a written word answer or sure as you are born someone somewhere will take this thing too literally and call it this way....I wouldn't have even brought it up, but it was actually brought up to one of our veteran officials......

Mregor

I just don't see how this is really an issue. The only time I've ever called it is when an offensive player had the ball in the lane and was getting close to a 3 second violation and they passed the ball and stepped OOB to avoid the violation.

If the offense is screening and the defender runs around the screen, I'm not blowing the violation until I'm sure the offense is not completing the play.

I do see where it could be an issue and that is on a throw in where the thrower's team sets a screen to free a player up. If that player runs OOB around the screen, then that's an immediate whistle.

Mregor

Kelvin green

We get paid the big bucks to make decisions and use our judgement. I think too often we make the rule too hard when its not.

You know when someone runs OOB for an unauthorized reason. You just do. You may not even pick it up the first time a team does it but you will notice it gain and get it.

Dont let the fact that there is not a list out there. If there were a list you might limit your self too it and then when there is another one we need to have the rule committee add something to the list.

Basketball is a game of judgement.