mick Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Yet another reason why FIBA is idiotic. WTF - get off your high-horse! It actually makes a lot more sense. The game clock doesn't start until a player touches the ball, therefor the 5 second count doesn't stop until the same. If anything, the NFHS/NCAA rules don't make sense. Under these rules a player could throw the ball in, no one touch it, so the clock doesn't start, and this could happen indefinitely - what a crazy situation! This sitch could NEVER happen under FIBA rules, as a 5 second violation would be called. Oh I'm sorry - since I disagree with you I'm obviously an idiot! Duane, How's your Spring? Lotsa flowers? 🙂 mick
ThickSkin Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin I have a question I just thought of... On a ten second count in the backcourt does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds? I say yes but don't have my rule books here to confirm it. You wouldn't be able to confirm it even if you had your rule books available. 🙂 The answer is no. The 10-second count terminates as soon as the ball hits the floor or any player, including opponents, in the frontcourt too. That includes hitting an official in the front court also. Casebook play 9.8SitB. [Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 1st, 2005 at 09:08 AM] If the ball is still in flight? Example: Count is at 9.5/10 I throw the ball from my backcourt to the front court (one of those high arching Joe Montana passes LOL!) and as the official gets to ten he has a 10 second violation. Is he correct?
mick Originally posted by ThickSkin Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin I have a question I just thought of... On a ten second count in the backcourt does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds? I say yes but don't have my rule books here to confirm it. You wouldn't be able to confirm it even if you had your rule books available. 🙂 The answer is no. The 10-second count terminates as soon as the ball hits the floor or any player, including opponents, in the frontcourt too. That includes hitting an official in the front court also. Casebook play 9.8SitB. [Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 1st, 2005 at 09:08 AM] If the ball is still in flight? Example: Count is at 9.5/10 I throw the ball from my backcourt to the front court (one of those high arching Joe Montana passes LOL!) and as the official gets to ten he has a 10 second violation. Is he correct? ThickSkin Well, yeah the official is correct. But my count was at 9.6, ..... 9.7. M'bad. mick
ThickSkin Originally posted by mick ThickSkin Well, yeah the official is correct. But my count was at 9.6, ..... 9.7. M'bad. mick That is my thought as well. I just wanted to be 100% sure. I don't see myself EVER calling that!
Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin I have a question I just thought of... On a ten second count in the backcourt does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds? I say yes but don't have my rule books here to confirm it. You wouldn't be able to confirm it even if you had your rule books available. 🙂 The answer is no. The 10-second count terminates as soon as the ball hits the floor or any player, including opponents, in the frontcourt too. That includes hitting an official in the front court also. Casebook play 9.8SitB. If the ball is still in flight? Example: Count is at 9.5/10 I throw the ball from my backcourt to the front court (one of those high arching Joe Montana passes LOL!) and as the official gets to ten he has a 10 second violation. Is he correct? What does that have to do with your original question above- outlined in red? You said "does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds". You said "yes". I said "ABSOLUTELY NOT". The ball only has to obtain front-court location to end the 10-second count. The ball does NOT have to be "possessed by someone on the same team" to gain front court location. The ball can gain front court location without ever touching the team in possession. That's exactly what the cited case book play is telling you.
Oz Referee Originally posted by mick Duane, How's your Spring? Lotsa flowers? 🙂 mick [/B] G'day Mick, Spring sure has sprung!! Today is about 32degress (cetigrade - around 90 F) Looks like it's going to be a hot summer - whats the weather like there?
Nevadaref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Yet another reason why FIBA is idiotic. WTF - get off your high-horse! It actually makes a lot more sense. The game clock doesn't start until a player touches the ball, therefor the 5 second count doesn't stop until the same. If anything, the NFHS/NCAA rules don't make sense. Under these rules a player could throw the ball in, no one touch it, so the clock doesn't start, and this could happen indefinitely - what a crazy situation! This sitch could NEVER happen under FIBA rules, as a 5 second violation would be called. Oh I'm sorry - since I disagree with you I'm obviously an idiot! Ah, go have cold one and chill out. I'm just participating in Padgett's favorite activity -- FIBA bashing for the sake of FIBA bashing (or is it the French?). 🙂 I don't really care one way or the other about how the rule is written. PS FIBA could change all of their rules to match the NCAA and their governance would still be idiotic! 😀 Now just wait until the real FIBA basher shows up...
mick Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by mick Duane, How's your Spring? Lotsa flowers? 🙂 mick G'day Mick, Spring sure has sprung!! Today is about 32degress (cetigrade - around 90 F) Looks like it's going to be a hot summer - whats the weather like there? [/B] 30-50 F cloudy. 🙁
ThickSkin Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Originally posted by ThickSkin I have a question I just thought of... On a ten second count in the backcourt does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds? I say yes but don't have my rule books here to confirm it. You wouldn't be able to confirm it even if you had your rule books available. 🙂 The answer is no. The 10-second count terminates as soon as the ball hits the floor or any player, including opponents, in the frontcourt too. That includes hitting an official in the front court also. Casebook play 9.8SitB. If the ball is still in flight? Example: Count is at 9.5/10 I throw the ball from my backcourt to the front court (one of those high arching Joe Montana passes LOL!) and as the official gets to ten he has a 10 second violation. Is he correct? What does that have to do with your original question above- outlined in red? You said "does the ball have to be possessed by someone on the same team in the front court before ten seconds". You said "yes". I said "ABSOLUTELY NOT". The ball only has to obtain front-court location to end the 10-second count. The ball does NOT have to be "possessed by someone on the same team" to gain front court location. The ball can gain front court location without ever touching the team in possession. That's exactly what the cited case book play is telling you. Yeah, I know. I didn't get my thoughts together before I posted. If the ball has front court status i.e. floor, team A, team B, official... then the ten second count stops. What I should have asked was if the ball is still in flight does the ten second count stop. Thank you for the clarification though! [Edited by ThickSkin on Nov 3rd, 2005 at 08:23 AM]
Lotto Originally posted by ThickSkin If the ball has front court status i.e. floor, team A, team B, official... then the ten second count stops. What I should have asked was if the ball is still in flight does the ten second count stop. This is from the NCAA rulebook. I expect that NFHS is the same. A.R. 17. (Men) A1 is in the back court and has dribbled for eight seconds when he passes the ball forward toward A2 in the front court. While the ball is in the air, going from back court to front court, the 10-second count expires. RULING: Violation. The ball shall be awarded to Team B at a designated spot nearest to where A1 was standing when he threw the ball.
ThickSkin Originally posted by Lotto Originally posted by ThickSkin If the ball has front court status i.e. floor, team A, team B, official... then the ten second count stops. What I should have asked was if the ball is still in flight does the ten second count stop. This is from the NCAA rulebook. I expect that NFHS is the same. A.R. 17. (Men) A1 is in the back court and has dribbled for eight seconds when he passes the ball forward toward A2 in the front court. While the ball is in the air, going from back court to front court, the 10-second count expires. RULING: Violation. The ball shall be awarded to Team B at a designated spot nearest to where A1 was standing when he threw the ball. Yes, it is the same. Thanks!
Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Yet another reason why FIBA is idiotic. WTF - get off your high-horse! It actually makes a lot more sense. The game clock doesn't start until a player touches the ball, therefor the 5 second count doesn't stop until the same. Oh I'm sorry - since I disagree with you I'm obviously an idiot! Ah, go have cold one and chill out. I'm just participating in Padgett's favorite activity -- FIBA bashing for the sake of FIBA bashing (or is it the French?). 🙂 I don't really care one way or the other about how the rule is written. PS FIBA could change all of their rules to match the NCAA and their governance would still be idiotic! 😀 Now just wait until the real FIBA basher shows up... This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong.
mick Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Nevadaref Yet another reason why FIBA is idiotic. WTF - get off your high-horse! It actually makes a lot more sense. The game clock doesn't start until a player touches the ball, therefor the 5 second count doesn't stop until the same. Oh I'm sorry - since I disagree with you I'm obviously an idiot! Ah, go have cold one and chill out. I'm just participating in Padgett's favorite activity -- FIBA bashing for the sake of FIBA bashing (or is it the French?). 🙂 I don't really care one way or the other about how the rule is written. PS FIBA could change all of their rules to match the NCAA and their governance would still be idiotic! 😀 Now just wait until the real FIBA basher shows up... This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. C'mon Duanne, Even that motorcycle you were selling a coupla years ago was on the wrong side of the road, wasn't it? 😉 mick
Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. Puh-leeze. Take your tediously holier-than-thou attitude and simply shove it.
Oz Referee Originally posted by mick C'mon Duanne, Even that motorcycle you were selling a coupla years ago was on the wrong side of the road, wasn't it? 😉 mick [/B] Hey that's the one thing that I will give you - you do drive on the right side of the road (literaly). Belive me I wish we did, car prices would drop significantly overnight.
Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. Puh-leeze. Take your tediously holier-than-thou attitude and simply shove it. Get stuffed! I thought this forum was supposed to be for the discussion of BASKETBALL rules and the education of basketball officials - not for FIBA bashing.
Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. Puh-leeze. Take your tediously holier-than-thou attitude and simply shove it. Get stuffed! I thought this forum was supposed to be for the discussion of BASKETBALL rules and the education of basketball officials - not for FIBA bashing. If that's what you thought then you obviously suspended thought when you made the post which exposed you as a tedious holier-than-thou thin-skinned twit.
Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. Puh-leeze. Take your tediously holier-than-thou attitude and simply shove it. Get stuffed! I thought this forum was supposed to be for the discussion of BASKETBALL rules and the education of basketball officials - not for FIBA bashing. If that's what you thought then you obviously suspended thought when you made the post which exposed you as a tedious holier-than-thou thin-skinned twit. Hey all I did was respond to a post that said that the difference between FIBA's rule and the NFHS rule was another example of how stupid FIBA is. Explain to me how that is "holier-than-thou"? Oh, and by the way - how about you leave out the personal attacks?
Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee Originally posted by Dan_ref Originally posted by Oz Referee This is exactly the sort of thing that gives Americans a lousy reputation. Some (and I'm NOT saying all) Americans have this weird idea that because they are the ones doing something a particular way - that makes it right. Different does not mean wrong. Puh-leeze. Take your tediously holier-than-thou attitude and simply shove it. Get stuffed! I thought this forum was supposed to be for the discussion of BASKETBALL rules and the education of basketball officials - not for FIBA bashing. If that's what you thought then you obviously suspended thought when you made the post which exposed you as a tedious holier-than-thou thin-skinned twit. Hey all I did was respond to a post that said that the difference between FIBA's rule and the NFHS rule was another example of how stupid FIBA is. Explain to me how that is "holier-than-thou"? Oh, and by the way - how about you leave out the personal attacks? Obviously nevada's comment was stupid. Your response was just stupider. And tedious. And holier-than-thou. And dim witted. You have an issue with nevada, work it out with him. It's the height of simple minded arrogance ("holier-than-thou") to use use your disagreement with him to justify insulting anyone else. But hey, at least you were good enough to allow that not all of the people you insulted deserved it. 🙄
rainmaker Can't we all just get along? (To which the only response is for Dan, Duane, ThickSkin, mick, Nevada, Chuck, Jurassic, and anyone else on this thread to join togeher and shout in unison "Shut up!!")