Should I Overrule the BU?

Matthew F

Originally posted by mcrowder
"What do you do if the PU doesn't come to you for help?"

Nothing.

"What do you do if the PU does come to you for help."

Give him the "He Swung" sign, just like it was a check-swing appeal.

Not sure this applies at all, as PU is asking in this case, and BU was not in the original.

That's my case!

BU didn't come to me, I did nothing.

If BU had come to me, I would have said he left early.

How do you know that the batter really swung? How did I know the runner left early?

mcrowder

Your case for what?

I don't think anyone was saying your ACTIONS were wrong at the time... just your assumption that since you thought he blew the call, then obviously he blew the call.

(Note that if he'd come to you, then in my opinion he, himself, felt that he had missed something, which changes EVERYthing in my previous posts. Since he didn't, not only does his call "stand", but further I'm inclined to assume he did NOT, in fact, blow the call.)

Matthew F

Originally posted by mcrowder
Your case for what?

I don't think anyone was saying your ACTIONS were wrong at the time... just your assumption that since you thought he blew the call, then obviously he blew the call.

(Note that if he'd come to you, then in my opinion he, himself, felt that he had missed something, which changes EVERYthing in my previous posts. Since he didn't, not only does his call "stand", but further I'm inclined to assume he did NOT, in fact, blow the call.)

So (using the example of my previous post) if the PU doesn't come to you, you say the ball call stands - we agree.

If the PU doesn't come to you, does that mean you didn't actually see the batter swing the bat? By your logic, that batter's swing didn't happen!?!?! Yet, you would have said "He Swung" had the PU asked for help. Can't have it both ways!

Just because one umpire makes a judgement call and doesn't ask for help, doesn't mean it's the correct call; it just means it's the call that stands on that play.

DG

Reminds me of a story I was read when I was a child about Little Black Sambo and the tigers. The tigers ended up chasing each other around a tree until they turned into butter. Maybe it's the going round in circles part that reminds me of this childhood story.

jumpmaster

this has turned into mental masturbation...or even better, one of Roland's articles. 😀

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