Official and Coach Charged

dudeinblue

ooh, I'd be scared of big bad Tim C. Watch out for him coaches! Other umpires and coaches should be on the scene so quick that there shouldn't even have to be a fight

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by dudeinblue
ooh, I'd be scared of big bad Tim C. Watch out for him coaches! Other umpires and coaches should be on the scene so quick that there shouldn't even have to be a fight

I think that big bad Tim C might be more scared if he had you for a partner.

Kinda missing the obvious aren't you? In this particular case, the other umpires and coaches weren't on the scene to stop the fight. Try sticking to what actually happened.

Now, what is your recommendation if something like this happens and you are involved? What would you do?

dudeinblue

How do you know they weren't on the scene? It was during the middle of a game so obviously they were. Try sticking to the story. But, you do have a point, because if I placed myself in his shoes, I would definately fight back after being attacked

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by dudeinblue
But, you do have a point, because if I placed myself in his shoes, I would definately fight back after being attacked

Actually that was exactly Big Bad Tim's(tm) point way back.

So.......your point before was?

cowbyfan1

I'm still wondering where his partner was. It was fans from the other team that stopped the guy.
I agree with Tee andthe others, I would not hesitate to defend myself but it will be obious that the other person will make the first move. The ump in this case "felt threatened" but he also really made the first physical move by grabbing the coaches collar. I have a feeling the DA will hold that against him, even if he tried to walk away at first.

LMan

hmmmm...now where was that old "packing?" thread from a couple of months ago..... 😉

Lawrence_Dorsey

Charging both parties seems like a DA's way to cover his rear end and let someone else handle the problem. In other words, if these cases go to court a judge or jury will have to decide if one or both parties is at fault. The DA can say he pressed charges against each guy but the jury decided who was at fault.

Maybe the umpire grabbed the guy by the collar. I can only imagine he did as he was being charged. However, it's doubtful that the umpire was the aggessor given the coach hasn't reported any injuries and the umpire has a black eye and a broken hand. I'm sticking with the umpire here.

Lawrence

mcrowder

Seems I remember reading the actual story on this either in another thread or on another site... if memory serves, the umpire charged with the assault was not the umpire involved in the argument initially, and during the argument between a different umpire and coach, this umpire grabbed the coach by the neck and threw him down... and then proceeded to get his *** kicked.

I confess that I may not be remembering perfectly, but I do remember when reading the story the first time if the umpire would be charged, as it sounded like he was the instigator.

Mark Dexter

Originally posted by Tim C

Mark, you are caught up in the feel good times.

'Tain't me, it's what the law says.

Illini_Ref

There was an ugly incident this last week in southern Illinois. An umpire actually left the field to exchange blows with a parent. About twelve punches were thrown according to witnesses. The police were called, but no charges were filed.

Hopefully we aren't seeing a trend here!