You make the call

tomegun

Right-click and "save target as" the play called Handcheck.

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/

Would you call:

A. Handcheck
B. Push (from stepping on the feet)
C. No call

ChuckElias

I don't think it matters what you call it as long you have a foul on the defender. B1 definitely handchecked A1 on the drive, but it looked like A1 kept his path. Once A1 is knocked off the path, you have to take the foul, since the handcheck definitely contributed. JMO, as always.

refTN

In high school I would have had a handcheck because the kid was pushing him out. In college though I think you could be O.k. and I emphasize o.k. with a handcheck. You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics, as far as mechanics go I would not have a push. I also think you would have been alright with a no call here as well.

mick

Originally posted by tomegun
Right-click and "save target as" the play called Handcheck.

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/

Would you call:

A. Handcheck
B. Push (from stepping on the feet)
C. No call

Another good one, Tom!
I'm blowing the handcheck before the trip.
mick

truerookie

I have a push. Once the defender extended the arm out which I observed happening. It would have been the same thing if the offensive extended the arm out on a drive(PC).

bob jenkins

Originally posted by refTN
You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics,

Only, apparently, in the SEC.

I probably would have come up with a block.

tomegun

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Originally posted by refTN
You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics,

Only, apparently, in the SEC.

I probably would have come up with a block.

Thanks Bob, I thought I missed a new signal or something. 😀 refTN, I'm just curious and I mean just curious, how many college camps have you been to and how many college games have you done? Like I said I'm just curious.

[Edited by tomegun on May 24th, 2005 at 01:52 PM]

mick

Originally posted by refTN
In high school I would have had a handcheck because the kid was pushing him out. In college though I think you could be O.k. and I emphasize o.k. with a handcheck. You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics, as far as mechanics go I would not have a push. I also think you would have been alright with a no call here as well.

C'mon refTN!
Ya can't have it all ways.
Make a call... or not!
You've got 0.50 seconds! 🙂
mick

ysong

Originally posted by truerookie
I have a push. Once the defender extended the arm out which I observed happening. It would have been the same thing if the offensive extended the arm out on a drive(PC).

In this clip, both player tried to use their arm to slow opponent down. Do you want to whistle them both for that, or only the defender? (assuming there is no stepping on the foot part)

Thanks.

tomegun

It seems like everytime you look at a play you see something new. The C should have taken a few steps up and this play would have opened up to him a lot sooner. He was a little too stationary.

truerookie

Originally posted by ysong

Originally posted by truerookie
I have a push. Once the defender extended the arm out which I observed happening. It would have been the same thing if the offensive extended the arm out on a drive(PC).

In this clip, both player tried to use their arm to slow opponent down. Do you want to whistle them both for that, or only the defender? (assuming there is no stepping on the foot part)

Thanks.

Defender. I go with push. The offensive player is H$S past the defender which pushes him.

rockyroad

Originally posted by refTN
I also think you would have been alright with a no call here as well.

Really?? Wow...the offensive player ends up traveling AND going oob because of the contact by the defender...so now we just call the oob and give the ball back to the defense? Good luck with that...

In my mind - it's a handcheck...the NCAA manual is very clear that using the back of the hand to try to redirect the offensive play (dislodge, displace, etc) is a handcheck...

Snake~eyes

Originally posted by tomegun
It seems like everytime you look at a play you see something new. The C should have taken a few steps up and this play would have opened up to him a lot sooner. He was a little too stationary.

I agree, when I first watched it I don't think the C had the angle to see the initial handcheck. I probably would have passed on the handcheck but definitely called a block when he stepped on his feet.

mick

Men's Hand-Checking
a. When a defensive player keeps a hand or forearm on an opponent it is a personal foul.

Jurassic Referee

Handcheck followed by a footcheck.......

I don't care what you end up calling it, as long as you make some kinda foul call on the defender.

Almost Always Right

I believe at the time that the fouled was called, you have to come up with a push.
I also believe that a no call on a hand-check was correct.
I feel that if the C comes up with anything early it should be a hold. That is just my personal interpretation of a hand-check.(Fine line for me)
It would've been nice if the C could've taken a big step down as the play goes through, although he may have straight-lined himself even more if he had done that.
If I were completely anal in my evaluation, I might ding him for not even glancing at the play going on at the elbow, though the play did start on the boundary of his primary and there was really nothing going on at the elbow, he watched the ball all the way down. I would assume if I was the C that the L or T might be able to help out if anything goes on with that cluster at the FT line.
I really don't have a problem with the way it was handled.
As I say - I have never missed one from the stands!!
BTW - Does anyone know if that guard was hurt bad? It looked nasty.
AAR

blindzebra

He road him with the forearm = Handcheck.

He redirected him by extending that forearm = Push.

He tripped him while moving toward the offense = Block.

Was there ANYTHING legal done by the defender in this play?

refTN

Originally posted by tomegun

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Originally posted by refTN
You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics,

Only, apparently, in the SEC.

I probably would have come up with a block.

Thanks Bob, I thought I missed a new signal or something.

😀 refTN, I'm just curious and I mean just curious, how many college camps have you been to and how many college games have you done? Like I said I'm just curious.

[Edited by tomegun on May 24th, 2005 at 01:52 PM]

tomegun I have not done a one yet and like I said above I apologize for saying that tripping was a legal signal in college. I am a huge advocate of reading my rulebook and casebook and in doing so I read NFHS, NCAA (for men and women), and NBA. Sometimes and mix and match them. I apologize.

To answer your question though I have done no college games and I am going to IIOC camp (of course since I love the SEC so much) this year. It is my first one.

refTN

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Originally posted by refTN
You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics,

Only, apparently, in the SEC.

I probably would have come up with a block.

My fault Bob that is just an NBA signal. I apologize

refTN

Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by refTN
In high school I would have had a handcheck because the kid was pushing him out. In college though I think you could be O.k. and I emphasize o.k. with a handcheck. You could have had a trip because that is a legal call and signal in the college mechanics, as far as mechanics go I would not have a push. I also think you would have been alright with a no call here as well.

C'mon refTN!
Ya can't have it all ways.
Make a call... or not!
You've got 0.50 seconds! 🙂
mick

Mick I am just saying I can see where you can have any of those, but as for me I would have probably came with a foul because the initial showed that he was handchecking which at that level those kids can handle, but once the defender stepped on his foot I am coming with a foul.