Mechanics

BktBallRef

Originally posted by ace
I've been using the spread arms for closely guarded. I was using it before I realized it was an actual mechanic. "How come I'cant get my 5 sec count?" I just spread my arms out and BAM! everyone got it.... Amazing I say.

It's not a mechanic, at least not an NFHS mechanic. If you're trying to move up, you're better off staying away from NCAA mechanics, unless the people you work for tell you to use them. Experienced officials can get away with it. For officials who are trying to move up, it can be perceived as sloppy.

I like 2 man mechanics i think 30 sec timeouts should be at the circles (one on each side ) and 60 seconds at the top of the 3 pt arc or top of the key. Going down to the blocks is STUPID. Its like somone copied a 3-person manual and forgot to change that one section.

No, it's not stupid. You go to the top of the key on 30 second time-outs because the cheerleaders are not allowed on the floor for a 30. You go to the blocks on 60 second time-outs because the cheerleaders are allowed on the floor.

BktBallRef

Originally posted by JRutledge

Originally posted by ref18
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.

The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.

NBA officials still chop, even though they use PT. As someone said, they count and chop with the same hand.

Rich

Originally posted by JRutledge

Originally posted by ref18
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.

The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.

Peace

The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.

JRutledge

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.

Accepted or actual CCA Mechanic? Because I have never seen a mechanic that allows the count and chop to be done that way. But I could be wrong, I am just saying there are things done because it is accepted by certain people, but not by the CCA Manual.

Peace

Rich

I'll have to dig out my CCA Women's Manual, but it's in the basement as I have no need for it this season.

Camron Rust

Originally posted by BK
I have two...

First, I use the spread arms to signify that the defensive player is not close enough for me to count closley guarded.

Second, I think that HS needs the Lead covering "on ball" in the strong side corner. If he has responsibility for OOB outside the arch, but has a strong post matchup, he has to choose to leave one or the other...there is no way to officiate post players and see a kid step on the baseline outside the 3-pt line.

When the ball is in lead's corner (2-man), the post becomes the trails responsibility. I expect my partner to cover the post.

Camron Rust

Originally posted by Mike Burns
Chuck,
I agree that in 2-man we need to go wide and cover the area outside the 3-point line. When the ball moves to the corner I will usually go 3-5' off the endline and widen out to the 3-point line or just a step beyond so that I can look outside-in a little more.

The play that BK is suggesting has to do with the 3-man mechanics. I think in 3-man the mechanic becomes a little more difficult for L because the play would be out of L's primary, but isn't L is still responsible for the entire endline OOB? If so, then I can see BKs point. While L strong side, I'm concentrating on the post matchup because that is my primary. What happens when the player in the corner steps on the endline? As I understand the mechanic, L is not supposed to go that wide on 3-man.

There are many times (both in 2-man and 3-man) when the ball comes from an area out of your primary and goes OOB on your line. This is no different.

You have to get a postion to cover both your lines and your primary.

davidw

Not necessarily my most wished for, but I think the following two changes would be better for us as officials:

1) Change the block signal from open hands on hip to closed fists. We see it improperly used by many at the high school level and below--I think because its appears stronger so many like to use it instead of the approved signal. I think it has a more authoritative look to it. I sometimes feel like I'm getting ready to bow or curtsy after using the current signal.😃

2) Change the illegal use of hands signal from the open faced hand to the closed fist chop on the other arm. See above--same reason.

How many of you remember the old travelling signal with open hands instead of the closed fists we have today?

[Edited by davidw on Jan 4th, 2004 at 10:22 PM]

Mike Burns

Originally posted by Camron Rust
When the ball is in lead's corner (2-man), the post becomes the trails responsibility. I expect my partner to cover the post. [/B]

Good point! I'll have to remember to add this to my 2-man pregame.

bob jenkins

Originally posted by JRutledge

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.

Accepted or actual CCA Mechanic? Because I have never seen a mechanic that allows the count and chop to be done that way. But I could be wrong, I am just saying there are things done because it is accepted by certain people, but not by the CCA Manual.

Peace

It's the actual mechanic.

Mark Dexter

Originally posted by JRutledge

The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.

Peace

Take a closer look at the next women's game at which you're in attendance . . . .

Also, even though PT is recommended for all D-I schools, they sure as heck don't all have it!

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