Four Magic Spots ...

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
... possible interpretation exception, a time out after the ball goes out of bounds, inbounds at the spot closest to where the ball originally went out of bounds ...

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 1: Team A has possession of the ball in its frontcourt when the ball is deflected out of bounds by Team B. The ball exits the court along the end line close to the right sideline. Team A is granted an inbounds at the location where the ball exited the court. While Team A is trying to inbounds the ball, Team A calls a time-out. After the time-out, the inbounds spot returns to the same spot; RULING: Correct procedure; COMMENT: Since the ball was not on the court, the time-out did not create a “stoppage in play” that would move the inbounds spot to one of the four designated spots. Play will continue from the inbounds spot established by the deflection of the ball by Team B.

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
How about a backcourt violation when offender simply steps on but not over the division line?But wait, there's an exception (by interpretation) for this situation.

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 9: A1, while dribbling the ball in team A’s frontcourt, steps on but not over the division line. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when A1 contacted the division line. Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation.

BillyMac

bob jenkins wrote
That's not an exception. Your earlier statement covers it ...

Because a timeout during an inbound is not considered an actual "stoppage in play" (by 2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretation SITUATION 1).

Any timeout by the offensive team during a live ball and player control by said team in the frontcourt (not behind a boundary) would always go to one of the four "magic spots" because it's a stoppage in play.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
How about a backcourt violation when offender simply steps on but not over the division line?

Closest spot is at the division line, which is technically in the backcourt of the offended team, thus inbound (by new rule) at closest spot.

But wait, there's an exception (by 2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 9) for this situation.

ALL backcourt violations will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

Right?

For other types of backcourt violations when offender violates in some other part of the backcourt (not just the division line), it would by rule will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

Do a history search. I've talked about having a clear interpretations about T-I spots and various BC violations.

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bob jenkins

BillyMac wrote
ALL backcourt violations will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

Right?

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I don't think so. You mentioned the one where A steps on the line.

But, B can still get possession of the ball in it's BC if A1 throws a pass that hits the division line and is then caught in the FC by A2.

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
ALL backcourt violations will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

bob jenkins wrote
I don't think so ... But, B can still get possession of the ball in it's BC if A1 throws a pass that hits the division line and is then caught in the FC by A2.

Rare, but I agree and so would the late Princess of Monaco.

ALMOST all backcourt violations will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

BillyMac

bob jenkins wrote
But, B can still get possession of the ball in it's BC if A1 throws a pass that hits the division line and is then caught in the FC by A2.

OK bob jenkins, so then how do I answer this?

2024-25 IAABO Refresher Exam
22) The throw-in spot for a backcourt violation is the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throw-in spots to where the violation occurred. Yes or no?

Do I answer it as it happens 99.9% of the time, or how it happens in this very rare situation?

bob jenkins

I would be sure I knew the rule and not worry about what the test answer was.

BillyMac

bob jenkins wrote
... B can still get possession of the ball in it's BC if A1 throws a pass that hits the division line and is then caught in the FC by A2.

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BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
2024-25 IAABO Refresher Exam
22) The throw-in spot for a backcourt violation is the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throw-in spots to where the violation occurred. Yes or no?

bob jenkins wrote
I would be sure I knew the rule and not worry about what the test answer was.

Actually, due to our Forum discussion and my "Tunnel Vision", I made this question harder than I should have.

Answer is "No" because some backcourt violations are inbounded in the backcourt.

While these plays might be considered rare, we all see a few of them during the season.

I'm deleting this (below) from my memory "shortcuts".

BillyMac wrote
ALMOST all backcourt violations will be inbounded at one of the four "magic spots" in the frontcourt of the offended team.

And I'm sticking with this.

BillyMac wrote
"If the ball is going to be inbounded in the frontcourt, it will ALWAYS be inbounded at one of the closest four closest "magic spots" EXCEPT if the stoppage in play was due to the ball going out of bounds, in which case it will be inbounded at the spot closest to where the ball went out of bounds".

... realizing that a timeout during a throwin isn't considered a "stoppage in play" and that a backcourt violation by a player simply stepping on the division line will be inbounded in the new frontcourt, both by interpretation.

There are no "shortcuts".

Just have to follow the yellow brick road to the end.

I have to stop thinking about zebras when I hear hoof beats on a Texas cattle ranch.

Raymond

We're used to you doing that. We occasionally try to intervene.

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BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
I have to stop thinking about zebras when I hear hoof beats on a Texas cattle ranch.

SNIPERBBB

Page 75 of the new manual has a good gaf on throw in spots

BillyMac

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IAABO Interpretation:

The team in white jerseys gained frontcourt status when White #3 saved the ball near the sideline. She threw it toward the division line, which landed in the backcourt. The ball now had backcourt status, when it was recovered by White #2 standing in the frontcourt.

This was correctly ruled a backcourt violation.

In most cases, a backcourt violation is caused by a player who has backcourt status. When this occurs, the ensuing throw-in should be awarded to the opponents in their frontcourt at the nearest of the four frontcourt designated throw-in spots.

In this case, the violation was caused by a player who had frontcourt status. Since the player had frontcourt status, the ensuing throw-in is a backcourt throw-in at the spot nearest to where the violation occurred.

In this play, the officials correctly awarded the ball in the backcourt along the sideline.