0 and 00

bwburke94

MD Longhorn wrote
Personally, this rule seems unnecessarily silly. An official can signal 00 or he can signal 0. No difference. we allow 33 and 3, don't we.

(And yes ... I believe 05 and 5 should be legal for the very same reason)

The difference here is that 0 (or 5) has the same value as 00 (or 05), just with a meaningless zero added at the start. 3 does not have the same value as 33.

Because of the way computers work, there is no way for them to distinguish between 0 and 00, or 5 and 05, in some cases.

I'm of the firm belief that there should not be a T if there's a feasible case of computer error. I stress I'm not an official in any sport, but the last thing I want to see is a "technicality technical", if you know what I mean.

so cal lurker

bwburke94 wrote
Because of the way computers work, there is no way for them to distinguish between 0 and 00, or 5 and 05, in some cases.

Of course there are. May not be as easy, but . . .

Rich

05 isn't a number. Never has been.

Big Slick

Rich wrote
05 isn't a number. Never has been.

Now I know why you proctored my math competency exams in 1993.

jTheUmp

bwburke94 wrote
The difference here is that 0 (or 5) has the same value as 00 (or 05), just with a meaningless zero added at the start. 3 does not have the same value as 33.

Because of the way computers work, there is no way for them to distinguish between 0 and 00, or 5 and 05, in some cases.

Computer programmer checking in:

05 and 5 (or 0 and 00) are equivalent only if the uniform number is stored as an Integer. If they're stored as a String, 05 and 5 are not identical.

About the only real reason you'd store uniform number as an Integer is to make sorting easier... sorting Integers in numerical order (as you would expect in a box score) is easier than sorting Strings in numerical order... with Strings, the default order will be something like this:
0
00
02
03
1
01
12
14
2
22
25
3
31
32
34
etc.

Rich

Big Slick wrote
Now I know why you proctored my math competency exams in 1993.

Two math degrees later....and I'm a marketing executive. 🙂

But you have me curious now since I did do that as a work study job in 1993. Apparently we went to school together?

Rich

jTheUmp wrote
Computer programmer checking in:

05 and 5 (or 0 and 00) are equivalent only if the uniform number is stored as an Integer. If they're stored as a String, 05 and 5 are not identical.

About the only real reason you'd store uniform number as an Integer is to make sorting easier... sorting Integers in numerical order (as you would expect in a box score) is easier than sorting Strings in numerical order... with Strings, the default order will be something like this:

0

00

02

03

1

01

12

14

2

22

25

3

31

32

34

etc.

And the sorting is why I assumed they store the digits as integers. Could be wrong. Always hated programming.

Big Slick

Rich wrote
Two math degrees later....and I'm a marketing executive. 🙂

But you have me curious now since I did do that as a work study job in 1993. Apparently we went to school together?

Well, I sure didn't travel from that (way) bigger school that it north on 26 (I happen to be there now - actually using math from time to time!).

BTW, the new science center is very nice (but I think the math department is still in the other science center). The football field is now turf, and they are building a facility by the kiln for soccer, field hockey and tennis.

griblets

10+ years of officiating and I never came across this situation in a high school game...until tonight, just days after I read these interpretations. I was the R and addressed with Coach B. Of course, he said, "we've played 6 games and nobody has said anything." To which I replied, "someone isn't doing their job." He took it in stride and decided to not play #0 to avoid the T.

Thanks for the post, Freddy! 🙂

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