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jeremy341a Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:25pm

Portland vs Golden State Blarge (Video)
 
57.9 left in the 3rd block/charge. Ended up being a blarge. I just caught a glimpse. Curious to see it again and see who should have held.

referee99 Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:11pm

Lmk
 
Jeremy,
Let me know if this is viewable to you. Getting a 'third party video' restriction from youtube, preventing the generation of embed code.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78w8eDOz5UY

referee99 Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:12pm

but if we persist...
 
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/78w8eDOz5UY?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

APG Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:35am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEL1ULfp1CM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sEL1ULfp1CM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Camron Rust Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:49pm

Trail had it right....a block.

Raymond Sun Apr 12, 2015 03:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960783)
Trail had it right....a block.

Same as that PC foul they called on Wisky late in the game vs. UK that I didn't like that was made by the Lead. Trail has a better angle at on that play because he can see between A1 and the defender with whom the contact occurred.

Adam Sun Apr 12, 2015 04:27pm

What did the defender do wrong?

Raymond Sun Apr 12, 2015 04:30pm

Even better is the 1972 NY Giants team highlight film that was on my YouTube page afterwards. Classic NFL Films stuff right there.

AremRed Sun Apr 12, 2015 04:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 960789)
What did the defender do wrong?

Moving forward into offensive player at point of contact.

Camron Rust Sun Apr 12, 2015 07:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960787)
Same as that PC foul they called on Wisky late in the game vs. UK that I didn't like that was made by the Lead. Trail has a better angle at on that play because he can see between A1 and the defender with whom the contact occurred.

I'm not sure if you're saying you have a PC or a block on this one but the two plays are not alike. The defender in this on is moving towards the opponent at contact.

mutantducky Sun Apr 12, 2015 08:20pm

block, defender was late.
credit to us refs that there aren't more of these calls.:D It seems like there easily could be.

Raymond Sun Apr 12, 2015 09:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960796)
I'm not sure if you're saying you have a PC or a block on this one but the two plays are not alike. The defender in this on is moving towards the opponent at contact.

Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

Zoochy Sun Apr 12, 2015 09:55pm

How did the NBA officials rule this play? administer both fouls?

Camron Rust Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960801)
Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

OK, maybe I have the wrong play in mind from the UW/UK game....there were a few to choose from.

I agree with your analysis here.

APG Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 960802)
How did the NBA officials rule this play? administer both fouls?

Double foul...no points are scored. Resume play with a jump ball at center court between any two opponents on the floor at the time of the foul. Shot clock is reset to 24.

APG Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960801)
Both should have been blocks. And I am talking about which official had the best look at the contact based on being able to see between the 2 players and judging the defense's movement prior to contact. In both cases the Trail has the best angle on the play, while the Leads is stacked.

I disagree on this play...I think the lead has just as good a look on the play as the trail would...but with the added benefit of being able to pick up the secondary defender a lot earlier than the trail...plus the trail still has the primary defender to worry about on this play.

As to the actual call on the play...correct call is a block...so the trail had the correct call. But mechanically speaking, this is the lead's call all the way and he should have the primary whistle and signal on the play. Even if the trail wants to put a whistle on the play, HE has to be the one to withhold a preliminary.

Nevadaref Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 960789)
What did the defender do wrong?

In my opinion the Portland defender is moving towards the offensive player at the time of the contact.

Raymond Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 960805)
I disagree on this play...I think the lead has just as good a look on the play as the trail would...but with the added benefit of being able to pick up the secondary defender a lot earlier than the trail...plus the trail still has the primary defender to worry about on this play.

As to the actual call on the play...correct call is a block...so the trail had the correct call. But mechanically speaking, this is the lead's call all the way and he should have the primary whistle and signal on the play. Even if the trail wants to put a whistle on the play, HE has to be the one to withhold a preliminary.

I disagree with your disagreement. :D

Because of how high this contact occurs, in addition to not being entirely in the paint, I feel the Trail has the best look. Even though it is a secondary defender, his angle allows him to see the secondary defenders movements in regards to legality. Since B2 never got into A1's path, it was as much as a push with the shoulder as it was a block.

Nevadaref Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960807)
I disagree with your disagreement. :D

Because of how high this contact occurs, in addition to not being entirely in the paint, I feel the Trail has the best look. Even though it is a secondary defender, his angle allows him to see the secondary defenders movements in regards to legality.

I think that the Trail has the better look on this particular play because the defender is moving from his right to his left. This is taking him away from the Lead. It seems that this movement is hard to observe from the Lead's position as the movement is parallel to his line of vision. That makes it difficult to tell how much the player was still in motion when the contact occurred.

zm1283 Mon Apr 13, 2015 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 960806)
In my opinion the Portland defender is moving towards the offensive player at the time of the contact.

I thought the same thing.


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