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Camron Rust Sun Apr 05, 2015 02:57am

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Originally Posted by abcdefg (Post 960178)
Textbook block. Or nothing.

Wrong game.

APG Sun Apr 05, 2015 04:32am

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Originally Posted by RefCT (Post 960131)
11:25ish of the first half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFD7fgFuiTs
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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 960134)
Great call on the pass and crash just under the 8-minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE7apgbxfmY
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 960136)
Flagrant 1 or 2. Wow. Nothing. Crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmo__UWLSKw
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 960141)
And then follow it with a horseshit PC call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrFntSaOUPg
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 960148)
Wow..shot clock violation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqudigeGwSE
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 960152)
52 seconds left. Block/charge. Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dvka6aoFmg
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abcdefg Sun Apr 05, 2015 04:41am

Every single one I'd have gone the other way on. The only one I'm not 100% sure on is the Kaminsky block/charge near the end.

junruh07 Sun Apr 05, 2015 08:14am

A couple of those are pretty tough calls for a final four crew. They have all been there before. The player location happened very fast, but he hadn't established. The pass and crash was a very nice job of officiating the defense to get that one right. I have the defense there before the offense went air born. I don't know enough about college F1/F2 rules to know. It would have been nice if someone would have called a common foul to start with. At least then they could have had something. The next PC was close, but the overhead view showed the defense moving slightly into the offense, creating the contact. I am surprised that there was no light behind the backboard to make the shot clock call easier. I think most college courts have the shot clock hooked up to the backboard lights. Could they have stopped play to review this? The last play looks like a charge to me. Not sure what the defense did wrong.

rbruno Sun Apr 05, 2015 09:08am

Shot clock violation with 2:20 left?
 
The announcers danced around the non call and how it can't be reviewed.
No real replay, but did the first shot with about 3 sec left on shot clock hit the rim? Maybe the officials thought it did and ignored the horn for the shot clock expiring. Or or or they had a blatant easy call shot clock violation that was missed. What do you guys think?

ODog Sun Apr 05, 2015 09:12am

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Originally Posted by tmagan (Post 960169)
How you can have a Final Four game without a shot clock yellow light behind the backboard is beyond unacceptable.

I kept waiting to see it on the high-angle replay they showed. There were plenty of shot clock violations last night, and I just figured I couldn't see the yellow light from the standard viewing angle.

I wholeheartedly agree that not having this for the Final Four is completely unacceptable.

Adam Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:06am

All three of the b/c plays are pc (one is technically a tc) calls, although the last one is close enough to a flop it could have been a no call. Loved the two charge calls here, though.

Rich Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:38am

That F1 would've been a dead ball technical, no? The ball was already through the hoop.

OKREF Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:04am

Just my humble thoughts.

PLAY 1. Wisconsin player certainly appears to be in mid air while catching the ball.

Play 2. I can live with the TC call here, however as discussed in a previous thread, the defense is bailing out and not really taking on the contact, could live with anything that they had here.

Play 3. I don't see any possible way this isn't at the least a FF1. He swung and hit the player with is open hand and it was intentional. What if he had a closed fist, would the outcome had been the same? Yes the defender was grabbing his jersey, but still have a swing.

Play 4. Looks like a pretty good call, thought it was a PC live.

Play 5. This one is the one that is most debatable for me. I never see any light go off, the clock says zero, but does it show tenth. It could be 0.05. Lastly, I never hear the horn. Why would they not use red lights?

Play 6. Kaminsky gets LGP, doesn't move, except to firm up, I have a PC.

Once again, just my thoughts.

Blindolbat Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:52am

PLAY 1. I don't really have an excuse here. Seems an obvious oob.

Play 2. I'll admit I probably would've had the same call in full speed. After watching in replay I think the defender was late in getting to the spot before the Wisc. player elevated.

Play 3. Swim move or not-You don't get to hit guys in the face. It looks like a bit of an intentional karate chop to me. FF1

Play 4. From camera angle initially I thought it was a PC. The overhead look and from where lead was, I gotta go block.

Play 5. Based on when I hear the horn, it seems like no shot clock violation. I assume there was still some tenths of a second remaining, but I also never saw any lights on the backboard. Weird.

Play 6. PC

abcdefg Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:46pm

Wouldn't the shot clock hitting zero mean 0.0?

Adam Sun Apr 05, 2015 01:03pm

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Originally Posted by abcdefg (Post 960206)
Wouldn't the shot clock hitting zero mean 0.0?

Not necessarily.

abcdefg Sun Apr 05, 2015 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 960207)
Not necessarily.

It starts at 35 and it's a full second before it hits 34, right?

Also, is the championship game officiating crew made up of the Final Four referees?

Blindolbat Sun Apr 05, 2015 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by abcdefg (Post 960208)
It starts at 35 and it's a full second before it hits 34, right?

Also, is the championship game officiating crew made up of the Final Four referees?


It was in another post further down the board, who the championship game is. It is not anyone that was in the Final Four. I remember Stephens, DeRosa, ???

Adam Sun Apr 05, 2015 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by abcdefg (Post 960208)
It starts at 35 and it's a full second before it hits 34, right?

Also, is the championship game officiating crew made up of the Final Four referees?

I'm not saying they didn't miss this one, but they're used to listening for the horn. This should be reviewable.

Historically, many clocks hit 0 as they count down the last second, or they show 0.0 as they count down the last tenth. I think you're right on shot clocks, though.


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