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starmanhoops Mon Mar 30, 2015 09:03pm

Traveling or Legal Move? (Video)
 
https://vine.co/v/OYe07Pqar0Q

Same pivot foot but is it legal?

Adam Mon Mar 30, 2015 09:18pm

If his pivot foot doesn't move, why wouldn't it be legal?

Hugh Refner Mon Mar 30, 2015 09:20pm

Looks like he establishes a pivot foot properly then uses it properly. OK by me. BTW - starmanhoops, welcome aboard. Hope you have lots of fun being here. :)

starmanhoops Mon Mar 30, 2015 09:31pm

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Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 959707)
Looks like he establishes a pivot foot properly then uses it properly. OK by me. BTW - starmanhoops, welcome aboard. Hope you have lots of fun being here. :)

Thanks Hugh, the fact his off foot comes down and then his pivot foot comes up and then he shoots is all good? Cool move, just seems like it would normally be called traveling? I'm just trying to come to grips with it being legal. I appreciate the knowledgeable answers.

MechanicGuy Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:48pm

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Originally Posted by starmanhoops (Post 959708)
Thanks Hugh, the fact his off foot comes down and then his pivot foot comes up and then he shoots is all good? Cool move, just seems like it would normally be called traveling? I'm just trying to come to grips with it being legal. I appreciate the knowledgeable answers.

Only a travel if he establishes a pivot foot, picks it up, AND PUTS IT BACK DOWN before releasing the ball (on a shot or pass).

The only part of this move that is close to a travel, is he may have gathered the ball with his right foot on the floor. Live, most refs will have the gather in the air though.

hbk314 Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 959717)
Only a travel if he establishes a pivot foot, picks it up, AND PUTS IT BACK DOWN before releasing the ball (on a shot or pass).

The only part of this move that is close to a travel, is he may have gathered the ball with his right foot on the floor. Live, most refs will have the gather in the air though.

So as far as travel vs. no travel, is this treated the same as if he'd taken a standard jump shot? As long as he shoots it before he comes back down, he's good?

starmanhoops Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:18am

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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 959717)
Only a travel if he establishes a pivot foot, picks it up, AND PUTS IT BACK DOWN before releasing the ball (on a shot or pass).

The only part of this move that is close to a travel, is he may have gathered the ball with his right foot on the floor. Live, most refs will have the gather in the air though.

I agree about the close to travel part but isn't it much like a layup in pushing off the right foot...except it started with a 360 pivot? I thought it was traveling but now "almost" sure it's not? Ha

MechanicGuy Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:20am

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Originally Posted by starmanhoops (Post 959720)
I agree about the close to travel part but isn't it much like a layup in pushing off the right foot...except it started with a 360 pivot? I thought it was traveling but now "almost" sure it's not? Ha

If you have him gathering the ball in the air, there is no travel.

Merely lifting his pivot foot before the shot does not make the move a travel. Otherwise, jumpshots would all be illegal.

MechanicGuy Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:21am

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Originally Posted by hbk314 (Post 959718)
So as far as travel vs. no travel, is this treated the same as if he'd taken a standard jump shot? As long as he shoots it before he comes back down, he's good?

Yes

Multiple Sports Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:32am

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Originally Posted by starmanhoops (Post 959720)
I agree about the close to travel part but isn't it much like a layup in pushing off the right foot...except it started with a 360 pivot? I thought it was traveling but now "almost" sure it's not? Ha

Starman,

That is perfect logic....on a lay up, you establish a pivot foot and push off the ground on your non pivot foot. Because he moves in a funky direction we think it may be a walk...this a great and legal move....

so cal lurker Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:04am

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 959727)
Starman,

That is perfect logic....on a lay up, you establish a pivot foot and push off the ground on your non pivot foot. Because he moves in a funky direction we think it may be a walk...this a great and legal move....

This, sadly, is the kind of play that may get called a travel by many low level (i.e., untrained or poorly trained) referees because it looks funny and young kids often don't know how to use a pivot foot. (As an 8th grader, my son worked on using his pivot effectively, and as a big guy could cover some space on a legal pivot in the post to get past a defender -- but he got called incorrectly [in my completely unbiased opinion!:cool:] for travelling several times by refs that I suspect weren't actually watching his footwork, but the distance he covered. At higher levels, the refs are properly focussed on the actual footwork.)

APG Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:34pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc7jeveRp4Q

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Cc7jeveRp4Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Raymond Wed Apr 01, 2015 01:06pm

Can't see the video right now, is this the Kaminsky play?

If so, a lot of footwork, no travel. That big kid from Xavier had good feet in the post also.

JRutledge Wed Apr 01, 2015 01:19pm

I do not have a travel. The foot does not stay still on a pivot.

Peace

jump stop Wed Apr 01, 2015 02:47pm

If you stop video At 16 second mark he gathers ball with both hands next to his ear, his right foot is on the floor. This would make this move a travel. This happens so fast in real time its hard to tell when he gathers.


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