Gonzaga vs Duke Push with ball (Video)

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
And I have no problem with any official having that outlook on the play. My opinion about play-calling is that you only call what you can explain. Make the call, and if the coach asks, be willing to confidently say that's why you made the call. But some folks here acts as if there is some black-and-white reference that makes such an interpretation an absolute.

Agreed. I also don't have an issue with someone who might argue that if you think the kid is trying to take advantage of a loophole, just stick him with the T to put a stop to it.

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Jay R wrote
And as these responses prove, common sense doesn't always kick in. Here the official calls a player control foul which no one questions. The game continues smoothly. Imagine no calling that play and then saying to the coach it's a no call because he used to "ball" to push off. The game does not continue smoothly.

You can say that I'm ignoring the rule, but I am following the spirit of the rule.

100% agree. I had a play this year that would have been a blocking foul had the ball not been between the players. I no called it and my game did not continue smoothly.

Raymond

AremRed wrote
100% agree. I had a play this year that would have been a blocking foul had the ball not been between the players. I no called it and my game did not continue smoothly.

So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

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BadNewsRef wrote
So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

Yep, I do.

JRutledge

AremRed wrote
Yep, I do.

Sorry but WOW!!!

Peace

Raymond

BadNewsRef wrote
So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

AremRed wrote
Yep, I do.

Well, I guess that is the logical next step if one would call a PC in such situations.

The one or two times I may have this in the futurer (never had it yet), I'll just live with explaining why I didn't make the call.

APG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBy1Zd07tuM

JRutledge

There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

Raymond

JRutledge wrote
There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

Yes, the ball had nothing to do with why this was called. Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did, it was after the contact that led to the PC foul.

ODog

BadNewsRef wrote
Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did ...

Seriously?

Raymond

ODog wrote
Seriously?

Uh, yeah, seriously. 🙄

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

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Classic triple whistle.

just another ref

BadNewsRef wrote
Uh, yeah, seriously. 🙄

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

I am not calling a foul in your situation. There would have to be contact with arm and shoulder to have a foul in your situation.

Peace

Raymond

just another ref wrote
I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

You are correct, I will not call a foul if the ball is used for the push.

BadNewsRef wrote
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The one or two times I may have this in the futurer (never had it yet), I'll just live with explaining why I didn't make the call.

BadNewsRef wrote
I don't see myself ever calling a PF for someone "using the basketball" to create space/displace/etc. If someone else wants to call it, that's fine with me. But what I won't accept is any official telling me my position is wrong by rule, yet they have no rule, case play, or interp to cite to indicate that I am wrong.

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