Gonzaga vs Duke Push with ball (Video)

[JRutledge]

There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

Yes, the ball had nothing to do with why this was called. Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did, it was after the contact that led to the PC foul.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did ...

Seriously?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ODog

Seriously?

Uh, yeah, seriously.

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

Classic triple whistle.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Uh, yeah, seriously.

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

I am not calling a foul in your situation. There would have to be contact with arm and shoulder to have a foul in your situation.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

You are correct, I will not call a foul if the ball is used for the push.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

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The one or two times I may have this in the futurer (never had it yet), I'll just live with explaining why I didn't make the call.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't see myself ever calling a PF for someone "using the basketball" to create space/displace/etc. If someone else wants to call it, that's fine with me. But what I won't accept is any official telling me my position is wrong by rule, yet they have no rule, case play, or interp to cite to indicate that I am wrong.